Who should pay on the first date? How do you handle the check? Well guys this is a question that I've been struggling with myself after 10+ online dates with random girls. I've had a few dates that went great and didn't mind paying but then I've had some where I just plane felt taken advantage of. This question used to never bother me and I literally never cared, until online date number 7 or so. After a while it becomes apparent that many women are professional daters. Hey they might have a legitimate interest in you but that doesn't mean they aren't still looking for the free dinner date. So anyway how do you handle it? I'm going to tell you how I've started handling it! I think I've come up with a pretty good way to put this to bed once and for all.

Let me start by giving you my opinion on the deal. It is better if you pay. You just look like a cheap ass if you don't and if you are interested in a woman you should just not make it a big deal and go for it. You are the man and unfortunately, according to societal bullshit, the man is just expected to pay. BUT that doesn't mean always!!! I only pay for the ones I have a chance of seeing again!

So here are my rules! First of all you have to be absolutely real with yourself. It's very easy for your emotions to get in the way! So when on the date sit back and try hard to remove your emotions for just a minute. Ask yourself how the date is going. Assess her body language and how she is acting towards you. Is she interested? Does she respond positively to your kino? Does she look you in the eyes and have her attention focused on you? Is she interested in what you are saying? All these are very important questions to answer because they are a sure indicator if she is going to see you again. When you determine the date is going well then by all means just pay and don't make it an issue!!! If not and all indicators are no go then when the check comes just flat out man up and say "cool how bout we split the check". Lol! Maybe you aren't exactly "manning up" but screw her! If she isn't interested she shouldn't let you pay anyway! Period! I have absolutely started insisting the girl pay for her own when the date is not going well. Why would you pay for somebody you'll never see again?

Anyway this is something that has been bothering me for a while now and thought I'd post about it in the hopes of helping somebody else out there going through the same BS I am. Bottom line is to assess the date and then pay for the ones you like and legitimately feel there is a chance for more and DON'T pay for the ones that are going badly.

Also a side note:
If she is totally into me and I'm not into her, I always pay! Why not make her day better and leave her feeling good. My point is not to damage women. It's just to help you avoid the "gold digger/professional dater". I hope somebody finds this helpful.

Beta chump. Go back to your hole.

Instead of going on online dates you should actually approach attractive women, get their number, and go on a regular date. I mean, isn't that the point of learning game in the first place?

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Wow I think you just insulted the entire forum. And what are you doing trolling the online sarging forum anyway if you're so against it?

I think it all comes down to what you actually LIKE to do. You can pay for the dinner because you feel obligated or want to gain something from it = BAD or you can pay for the dinner because you just wanted to and not wanting to get anything for it = GOOD. Believe me, girls can tell the difference.

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Of all the dates I've been to... I have never paid for the girls. Not once.

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I always offer.

Most quality girls will offer to split or pay next time.

If she expects me to pay, I will find stuff to do that doesn't require money.

Don't be cheap but don't be a chump either

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Don't pay. Also you won't look cheap by not paying if you've demonstrated your value in the date. If you haven't successfully demonstrated your value in the date then paying isn't going to help much.

I think it's often said that paying for the meal is on the men, or whomever initiated the date. I have no problem paying for the bill, and I never make it about sex or anything. Of course, if the woman I'm seeing is interested in that, I'm all for it, but I don't go for that right away like that.

Just play it cool, and when the bill comes, pay it. Don't say you're going to cover it, or pay it, just grab the check and pay it. Don't say anything. I feel this makes me feel in charge in a way.

I always pay. It just comes off cheap if you don't...

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