So I would say that me and my wings are at the intermediate level of pick up. We get plenty of numbers and day twos, a fair number of lays from day twos but no same night pulls yet, definitely working on that. We write field reports every time we go out and there is a whole lot to work on, that much we know. It's a work in progress.

This is kind of a comment just to see what your reactions are to this and not so much of a question, but what I'm noticing very often is that the women here (we are in the North west of England if that makes any difference) are VERY, VERY hostile and bitchy to the approach and generally. This is ranging anywhere from a blunt "bye" and turning away of the body when being opened, to having them do the universal "wanker" sign above our heads when we approach, to even the scene that unfolded a couple of nights ago where a group of 3 girls and one beta follower male literally berrated my wing from the dance floor continuously until we left the area. Berrated to mean; wanker hand gestures, looking bemused at him time and time again, giving him the middle finger, pointing and laughing etc. He stayed icy. This is pretty much normal behaviour when a group is involved.

What were our approaches like to get these responses??
Well the standard scenario was to be in a group of 3 males, to dance for a little while to loosen up and build some social value, and to pretty much not be too choosy in what/who we approached- to start conversations and be social pretty much. the general opening line was "hi" followed by a situational opener or just something simple like "it's nice to meet you, whats up". Bland yes, needs work, yes. But to get the responses we are getting though.......something seems very off. Opinions please!

What did your friend do to get so much abuse from these women? Also, where the fuck do you go that it's acceptable for people to act that way, call someone a wanker, point and laugh at him and generally be nasty and scummy?

That really isn't normal behaviour at all. You're either visiting some terrible low-life places or you're doing something incredibly insulting or ridiculous.

How do you dress? Do you dress like Mystery or normal casual clothing? For peacocking it's vastly different in the UK as opposed to the US and the kind of places Mystery sarged and could get away with that shit. If peacocking keep it minimal.

The absolute worst thing that should be happening when someone isn't interested and you come off as weird or insulting is they walk away or bluntly tell you they don't want to talk to you.

this makes me feel a little better haha. no we are absolutely lowballing the interactions if anything, too low of an energy. we are dressing normally (shirt and jeans maybe blazer) and just being social pretty much.

what maybe is a reason is that the city we are in is a "student" city. the majority of women between the ages of 18 to 21 are students and generally students are very childish, and are usually not from the city. this means that since they are plugged in socially by default when they join their campus/groups/classes that maybe they are intensely hostile to outside influence. but that's just my theory!

they definately enjoy batting people away and making the biggest show and dance of it as possible, I'm just hoping that this is not a normal thing and that I have to get used to being massively disrespected every time I go out to nightgame.

I'm talking about Liverpool by the way........I hope you sink into the ocean

Exact same problem in glasgow... the women are like fucking bears....

But i know what you mean, i think the rules are slighty different depending on the place - particularly as gamessn said with regards to peacocking. I mean, i remember reading in the game that mystery and other pua's painted their nails as a form of peacocking. I'm sorry but if you tried that in glasgow you'd get laughed all the way home and probably the shit kicked out you heh

I don't think you can diss a student town as being hard to pick-up, in my experience its massively the opposite. What I do think though is that women in the UK are massively more cagey and hostile to being chatted up than other countries i've picked up in (maybe because i'm a foreigner and more interesting than i would be usually).

I have a theory about clubs/bars and girls in the UK. Basically, a woman's normal score goes up by about two points, where a man goes down about two points - two 7s become a 9 (her) and 5 (you) - This is based on physical attraction alone at this point - its on you, or me, or whoever, to address that balance by giving her a reason to talk to you - what this isn't, is dancing on the dance floor - unless you are in diversity or something.

Dance floors in britain are the most surreal places in the world, where women are dodging thrusting pelvis' whilst also trying to guide their twerk into their preferred grind - and whilst I'm sober, i avoid them - mainly because of the constant rejection we all get.

The best thing I even did for clubs or bars is make regular visits to the smoking area - i don't smoke - but its the only place where you can chat to anyone easily, and do all the game you need to get you (and your crew) in with them and their crew.

also re: peacocking in the UK - I don't go overboard with it, and being 5,6 i'm too short to wear a hat (not that I would anyway...) But I found what works for me is little things like going out with a body wallet (active person's bum bag - constant source of banter), I have a t-shirt that says lucozade on it - and that basically comes with chat up lines attached, as soon as they ask you why you're wearing a lucozade t-shirt...

So I think, definitely wear different, not just jeans/shirt - coz you look the same as everyone else, and unless your face sets you apart, you will be treated the same as everyone else.

I was in America a few months ago, and I had this bright pink, girls backpack and it was absolute gold with girls - and then as soon as they knew i was english it was all over there and then. It hasn't had the same affect in England lol so there are limits over here i think.

Call them out...

Opener "Your not one of those bitches who uses the wanker sign and gives guys the finger are you??"

Create an opener for exactly what they are doing. It'll blow their mind. Use it to your advantage and have fun with it.

One note- I'm in the states. Me and my buddy cut our teeth on club game. I found the dance clubs the hardest place to pick up women. But that's what made it so great. When you become good club you become great every where else.

One of the best things we did was go back to the same club every weekend. We soon became regulars. Get to know the bouncers, bar tenders, managers and wait staff. Pretty soon when these girls see you getting respect from the workers, they show you respect. We became so respected after a year when a guy pissed off my buddy, the bouncers threw the guy out because my buddy told them too.
Also when you go back to the same club over and over you get to know the party girl regulars who go there. Always invite girls back to your place for an after party. Make sure you have alcohol and music videos on the tv. It may take a while to get people back to your place the first time but once you do a few times your place becomes know as the spot for after party and can take on a life of its own. This will also blow your mind what happens then...

Good luck guys

I'm from the UK so I know exactly what you're talking about. That type of behaviour is common here, especially for those types of venues. Based on your post, you sound fairly intellectual and mature, and the venue-goers sound like the complete opposite.

So if you really want to game those types of girls (lol), you probably only have one option which is you HAVE to let loose more. To me, you just sound way too logical and analytical for these types of girls. It's possible that they don't really understand you in comparison to them. What's a common habit humans do when they just can't understand something? Attack it and see what happens.

So you need to act as if you were more of a dumbass. i.e. Friday night is the night to pull, I'm gonna go f*cking wild, drink drink drink, what can I get away with, nothing is going to stop me, etc. Intelligent guys find this much harder to do because there is a lot 'red tape' in their minds relating to social constructs. Most average guys don't have any 'red tape' and can easily just let loose and go with the flow. So this isn't your fault, but if you reallllyyyy want to try your hand at these girls you're probably going to have to get used to letting go and going wild.

On the other hand, you might have better results going to calmer bar environments as opposed to going to clubs. You'll have access to girls that conduct themselves better, and you might be more natural here as well, so it's really a win win - but try doing both this and letting looser in clubs for maximum learning intake.

I agree with all of the above and I've sarged everywhere from Eastern Europe, Germany to California.

Comparing other countries to places like Bristol, Liverpool, Manchester and Nottingham etc., there is definitely more bitchiness here than anywhere else; but it's not impossible to pickup, you just need to isolate and be persistent. The key is to either disarm the bitch with a back-handed compliment or throw the insult back at her in a playful way... eg. "Wow, we've only just met and you already want to wank me off? " - The key is you want to build tension so that she either throws a drink in your face or starts snogging you

British people are extremely territorial and follow the herd mentality of their crowd. A common rejection I get is 2 girls pretending to be lesbians. Or the ugly fat jealous mother hen coming at me with an attitude befitting her looks while trying to protect her fit mates because her needy fadge is as untouched and as dry as Ann Widdecombe's.

Try to isolate the girl you like, e.g. take her to the bar, casually follow her to the toilet, catch her on a fag break, chat her up in the queue before her bitch shield is up etc. Most girls in a gang reject you cos their mates are there posturing and generally being bellends. Take her away from her mates and she won't be as bitchy. Also helps if you have girls in your group, then it doesn't seem like they're being approached by a sausage-fest of tossers.

Remember the cheaper and chavvier the club, the more bellends and bitches you're gonna get. It's worth paying a tenner minimum entry just to ensure the quality and manners of the totty is high.