every time I go out, im able to open most sets without getting shot down.. I can make them all laugh and tell stories while involving them all but I cant get any further! any advise would be appreciated!

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cornerman

i guess just be bold and ask for their number......look around on here and find ideas on how to lead the convo into what you desire, and focus on body language, body language means everythign especially seeing most guys don't know how to use it

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"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."-Alfie

I have a lot of ideas of what could be going on with you, but more information is needed. Could you give us a few interactions?

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"There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time."

Cheers lads. Well one example was I approached a set with two girls and three guys.. I asked their opinion on something. Have a time constraint straight away. Had them all talking about what I'd asked. Then after a couple of minutes, I said cool I may get back to my friends and before I walked off I asked them all how they knew each other, the two girls said they knew each other since kindergarten and I said I could tell so I immediately said I have a best friends test for you guys and while one friend was keen, the other dragged her off to the toilet... Considering we were all getting on so well I don't understand it.. Other sets are similar

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cornerman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVQPY4LlbJ4 just replace "money" with "pussy".

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Good lord, and you didn't stop to think that maybe they were both taken? It is almost never a good idea to go after girls that are already with other guys. Say or do the wrong thing and you could well get your ass kicked. I've seen it happen before, and it is not a pleasant thing. Considering you're having quite a few issues picking up women, and they are using escape methods, you're lucky to not have gotten any form of lashing from the guys.
This is never a good sign. It means that the two of them are trying to escape from you, which means that you're saying or doing something wrong to an extreme extent.

The problem doesn't seem to be with your game plan. Establishing a time constraint is an awesome idea because it shows that you are a busy guy. It is most likely with what you are saying and doing. Reading this and your opinion and question routines seems like an incredibly boring time. If you want to have any chance of getting their number, you have to be entertaining and build the interaction up. You want to make it so that she is leaving the conversation wanting more out of you. That is how you get the number, and that is how you get the second interaction.

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"There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time."

haha that's why I asked how they all knew each other the girl I was after was single but I do think your correct in that I need a better game plan! any ideas would be great and i'm not worried about the other guys as I always get them on my side first... disarming the guys is the first thing I do as I only speak to them first then I bring the girls into it.. anyways, im not looking to copy from anyone else but I definitely need a better game plan!

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cornerman

Holy shitballs, Brandon XD Saved that link for motivation.

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Awesome ^

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I like to follow and use the public pickup videos on Youtube. Simple Pickup is funny and it proves to you that regardless of who you are or what you do, all that is required to get girls on the streets is a good tongue and a whole load of confidence. I would recommend to start watching those videos. Johnny Berba has a really good channel, and the Sasha Daygame videos are also decent.

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"There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time."

Cheers mate! I'll definitely give them a look!

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cornerman