Since finals week has started, I've been getting mad IOI's from a HB9 in the library nearly every single day. I think she recently broke up with her boyfriend. This shouldn't normally be a problem, but she's almost always with a group of HB8-10 and I am just a beginning PUA.

I have no idea how to break into the group. The reason for this is because the group of girls is are all in a high-status sorority. I have connections within that sorority, but none of them are really friends with this HB9 and they're never around when she is.

I want to approach the table, but I have no real social proof at all right now. I go to a pretty small school where most people know each others' social reputation - we have a huge (75% of 2k students) greek participation and news travels quickly. I was in a high social value fraternity last year but dropped out pretty early due to tough classes etc. Her ex-boyfriend was in the same house, but he's graduated and gone. Not sure if many people know that I was in this house or not.

Should I wait until she's alone? How do I cold approach in the library if so? Would it be better to approach the group of girls? How do I DHV effectively without them seeing through it, since we go to such a small school? The timer is ticking as we have 2 days left then I'll be off campus for 6 weeks.

IOIs I've gotten from her : often looking in my direction, smiling at me, glancing at me, looking back at me when she's walking around, etc

I'm pretty confident that if I can open effectively and number close before break, I will be off to a good start and will be able to at least build a foundation for when I get back.

Force IOIs at her and make her come to you. If she's confident enough to be giving you so much and not be afraid of it she's confident enough to approach you. Either way reciprocate them. Make sure you lock eyes with her, make sure she sees you checking her out and don't become startled or back down. You'll generate a lot of attraction with this and drive her crazy.

Or you could just go up to her in the library, sit beside her and say you've seen her around and thought she was studious enough to help you with your work.

Awesome, what do you mean force IOIs at her? Should I be sending equal amounts of IOIs? I may have intimidated her - one of the times she we locked eyes she looked down, and when she looked back at me etc her body language was telling me she's a little shy (look away, glance downward, etc). I've been looking my best this last week (for no reason except the fact that I have no morning classes) and I think that's what generated the initial attraction.

This is all sort of new to me because it's been a while since a HB9 has shown me IOI like this without any sort of approach whatsoever. Usually by the time there's attraction, I have no problem going to talk to them.

Also, her friends/sorority sisters seem to be checking me out / evaluating me recently - how should I react to that? I feel like finding guys outside of their groups is uncommon and they're really trying to evaluate me bc of that.

I admit I've been getting pretty startled when I interact with her because of her looks which sometimes fucks up my composure a little, but she has too and I am willing to bet that is uncommon for her.

Lock eye contact, keep it there and let her look away. It's a sign of submission if she looks down. Unconsciously she's submitting to you by doing that and showing her attraction to you. If she looks sideways she's uncomfortable.

Don't confuse yourself on the whole intimidation stuff. She's intimidated but not by you, by her own feelings for you. I've noticed that if you keep eye contact and she submits every time but comes back for more she'll eventually come to me directly. It's something i've been doing myself a lot lately and wielded great results ranging from free drinks, chicks grinding on me on dance floors(While i'm sitting down near or standing talking to a friend) to all sorts -- I do have an issue at the moment which halted progression beyond that but the results still stand.

Try it out yourself. It will work in pubs, clubs or even social settings as long as you're confident and don't falter. Just be sure to let her know that you're not looking at her 24/7 but when you do you're not afraid to let her know you're checking her out -- This is huge DHV as you're letting her know you have other things in your life but you're also willing to give her the chance to prove herself to you. You're inviting her to prove herself. Best thing about it is it's low risk with high reward. Another good thing about it: Even if she doesn't start sending you IOIs but you force them at her she certainly will take notice of you after that point. Not many men are aggressive enough, they may be aggressive in their approach but being aggressive with your body language is completely different and can really drive a woman nuts.
Give one of them a wink next time she checks you out. Smile, chuckle and just be aloof.
I thought you didn't interact with her or couldn't because her friends were around? Next time you're interacting with her ask about anything. "How're you getting on this year? Stressful isn't it?" Any old bullshit. Better yet if something big is going on ask if she's going. She'll most likely say yes then you c/f as you leave and say "I better see you there."

Great advice man, thanks

What I meant by interact were these silent encounters in the lib haha. If I had been able to go talk to her I don't think I'd have this much of a problem

My main problem is I've never talked to her before in my life, and same with most of her friends. Not being in a house (frat) is DLV here esp to these sorority girls. (Most likely will be joining in a few weeks after break) Uncomfortable with the thought of approaching this group at this time, individually approaching would be much much better. However, I don't really know what I'd do in this environment (lib, stranger, some tension).

Worst part is I'm about to leave for a 6 week span (2 week break + brief internship) so who knows what the situation will be like when I come back .. I need to approach today/tomorrow IF I see her I just haven't decided how. The "staring until she approaches me" would be fine except I'm running on this timer.

Do her friends watching me mean she's talked about me or what? I've been seeing her around the lib a lot more since this started one night, but it also is finals week so who knows..

This is where Mystery Method still kicks ass

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If she just broke up with her boyfriend she probably just wants to have sex. So "number closing" should be at the very bottom of the list of things you think you need to do when you do approach her. College girls don't usually jump into a brand new relationship until they've felt empty from being banged out a couple times. At least thats my experience with most of them.


As far as DHV'ing goes.. That term puts a bad taste in my mouth because it makes other guys feel like they have to lie or consciously build themselves up to get laid. And you don't. For starters; if she's already giving you loads of IOI's she already sees you as valuable enough. Everything else is unnecessary. Second: no one can see "through it" if you just don't lie.. It's as simple as that. You can't see through the truth.

I'd go for it man. The higher the risk the higher the reward. She'll respect you a helluva lot more if you approach her in front of the group. And if you fuck it up; who cares.. Everyone will forget about it after a week. Can you remember the face and outfit of the last person you saw trip, fall, and make a complete fool of themselves? Probably not.

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If you see her alone in the library just walk up to her, ask if the seat is free, sit down then say "Hi". There's no need to go for a traditional opener.

I do this all the time even if it's just some girl who I see alone in college. Sometimes I won't really be all too enthusiastic and come off a bit odd in my delivery but it doesn't matter once the tension kicks in. Just start talking to the person when you sit down. Be direct, say you've noticed her in the library and mention that she looks smart and could help you.

If she's DTF make sure you let her know you're leaving for six weeks on break and then four week internship. Then after the library ask what she's doing then go have lunch with her.

alright I don't think I'm going to see her before break anymore .. she left the lib a little after I posted this thread. Damn I need to fix this hesitation stuff soon ... I'm blowing it!

Any ideas on what I should do from here? She liked an anonymous post I posted on our school social network of drinking etc but she has no idea it was me .. I was thinking about adding her but decided against it because I hadn't even talked to her

But if I added her there's a good chance she'll know it's because she liked my post

hahaha I feel like I'm reaching. damn. Tons of girls have been approaching me or giving me IOI's after I found a new haircut (serious) and put in a little work to look good in the morning. Just need to stop blowing my chances like this

I don't know about text or online game. TheFury knows all about that. I generally just go with the flow and don't take anything too seriously, keeping it flirty. If a girl is clearly into me and reciprocating interest in messaging me i'll do whatever... Then again the social norm here is to text. It's normal to text people every day and message about stupid shit like what television show they're watching and what not. Plus I generally find that I don't have to play any text or online game once the initial attraction has been established. The one thing I did find liberating was not giving a damn about stupid rules as to who text who last. It used to go through my head and really get to me thinking about it. Finally I just stopped caring and if there was something I needed to text about or whatever I wouldn't think back to whether she messaged me or I messaged her last. The one thing I will say about texting and messaging online is: Don't be a retard. Show that you've intelligent and can string together a proper sentence with complete words and proper spelling and grammar even if she's full of "L8r, zomg, sumtin hppn 2 me." or whatever. Of course I do fuck around and sign off with "Laterz" or some shit like that or drop the occasional "lol" or "omfg" but they're pretty much standard at this point.

You seem like you're looking too into this. Just take a step back, take a deep breath and try not to care about this one girl you've not spoken to so much.

If you meet her again or bump into her or anyone else who have shown interest in you say something ballsy and deliberate like "Hey, I noticed you around. You're the girl with the cute smile." Do this even when her friends are around and exit by needing to be somewhere unless she wants you around and wants to ditch her friends. What you've done here is opened up communication. You've torn down that barrier as to whether or not you can talk to her. This means you are free to approach her when you see her next properly introduce yourself to her and shoot the shit. The initial barrier is gone. It will be as simple as smiling and saying "Hey! It's you, the girl with the cute smile. How've you been?" Boom! Talk to her and game her, ask her out, do whatever you want. You've just made yourself all the more alluring and confident.