Hey, guys. So this is the rundown:

I know this two girls, one I'm interested and friendzoned me. Gave me the LJBF speach, even. The other, I think friendzoned me too, but honestly I never had any interest in pursuing.

Now, the thing is: they have met some guy (probably a PUA) who showered them both with attention. Probably to pit them against each other. My target says he is not her type and that she has cut him off because of what he is doing. I told her that is a pick-up technique, btw. The other one told my target she isn't interested either, but keeps speaking to him. But still, the dude managed to fuck things up between the two girls and now I'm in the middle of their war (and remaining neutral). So far they have kept things relatively civil, but the shit will soon hit the fan, and when it does, if I have to take sides I will stand by my target. No gaming here, it's just the right thing to do, because the other girl is a manipulative bitch and is trying to fuck my target (who I consider, above all, a friend) by any means.

Now, knowing that I have 2 girls in open war and no matter what I will have my target's back, is there any way to do the "two birds with one stone" thing and use the chance to bust out of the friendzone?

The tensity in emotions can be used to your advantage. Taking girls on an emotional rollercoaster can increase attraction btw. Make her feel happy, sad, mad, happy some more, exposed, aggravated. If you didn't do something like this, it may be why you were friendzoned. You don't want to be static and dull. You want to be round, causing her to feel all kinds emotions. (Note: You can do this without making her feel bad about herself. The goal is to tease her, but to still leave her feeling better in the end.)

I don't know too many ways to deal with disarming AMOGs (Alpha Males Of the Group). I haven't had too many problems with them, yet. Especially if you're friendzoned by her, too... Here's a few ideas.

Disarming the AMOG:
1. Becoming his friend could be useful to you. (Keep your friend's close and your enemies closer, right?)
You can do this by finding things that you both share like if he's a legit PUA, maybe even picking up women will do. You could have you a new wingman.
2. You could laugh at the girls and make them feel embarassed for being played by this AMOG, that could be enough to steer them away from him, but only you would know that.
3. You could show them how you're the better guy by learning more about attraction and breaking free from your friendzone chains. Save the bondage for the foreplay. ;P
My pick? use all 3

Attraction: If you are going to free yourself of nasty friendzone bondage, you're going to have to attract them. If you're their friend, you've already interested them, so thats some work out of the way.
1. You can keep in mind what teasing women can do to them. Remember, you are the trophy for her to win, not the other way around. So playfully teasing her on how she couldn't get you may earn you some points. If you don't think that'll work, keep in mind that making her feel various emotions will still do very good in attraction.
2. KINO KINO KINO. "Touch meh body.." Touch her, dude. Touch her every chance you get. You go and say hey to her, touch her hip for a moment, or her shoulder. Neg her with a "there's something in your hair" or " there's a smudge on your face" and touch her like you're getting rid of it. Put your arm around her and say "you're gonna be my sugar momma" or "pretend girlfriend for today." Touch releases chemicals in the brain that can actually cause sexual stimulus and usually we all like to be touched. The more you do it and better you get at it, the more she'll want you to touch her.
3. Jealousy Jealousy. If you spend a lot of time with her and she enjoys that time, take it away from her and even give it to other girls. This increases your value in her eyes because you now are more of a challenge. Hang out with other girls and talk to her a lot less. Give at least 3 days of waiting for her to talk to you before you try to talk to her again. Either way, she'll notice the change and miss the good feelings you gave her. (but this may also cause her to go the AMOG)
4. Demonstrate Value and Blow Her Mind. Show her some cool tricks that would seperate you from other guys and make you more valuable. Show your skills off, but remember, you do it mostly to entertain yourself, not her. You're the trophy and she has to prove she deserves you.

LJBFs: Just start attracting her, and you'll break free from that.

If my advice helps let me know, if you need more, holla. ^^

- Spitice

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Time to give her a ride on the emotional rollercoaster then...

Funny, fractioning is the first PUA technique I learned, used it successfully with another girl before and this time I completely forgot about it. I was so concentrated on building sexual tension and poorly atempting freeze-outs I completely forgot I could try that. Well, now that she needs me the most I will not attempt a freeze out, I mean, gaming is one thing, turning my back on a friend when she is the most vulnerable is something eles entirely different. The worst case scenario is that i forge an even stronger bond between us and then freeze her when things are better, maybe that will maximize the effect.

The AMOG, as you called him, is not an issue. I have never even met the guy, so I can't make friends with him, and my target saw right through his game when I told her about PUA. I mean, she was showing me some of their text convos and I was basically explaining her the PUA handbook. And the dude is not even good at it. That and his friendship with the other girl left my target pretty damn crossed with him. I mean, if he was gaming my girl it pretty much backfired at him. He told my target he was not speaking with the other girl and then my target caught the other girl's phone when she was in the toilet and saw not only they were talking, they were making fun of her. He is not a threat at this point and his bad game gave me the chance to play the part of the knight in shining armor.

Also, about demonstrating value, I'm a studant of psychology who likes mind games, so now she askes for my opinion on pretty much any interaction with the other girl, like I'm some kind of Professor Moriarti style mastermind.

Thank you, and any more advice would be apreciated.

Stop. Just stop. Everything you're doing. Don't mean to be mean but you're not busting out of the friendzone here.

1. You busted up a guys game. So what, do you think that fucking up his game would make her want you? It won't. Caring about if she is played or not doesn't make it attractive. In fact, telling her to go with him might have been a better move.
2. Her asking your opinion doesn't make you a Moriati type, it just makes you a girlfriend and a guy who she discusses other guys and girls too. You're her outlet.

If you want to get out of the fz, fine, but this situation isn't going to help you and can only put your further in the wuss/friend category. From the way things sound, other shit more important than these 2 girls and guy need to be handled. You say this guy is not good at PUA, but he had 2 girls who didn't like you after him. So he is better than you. Tell these 2 chicks sort their drama out, fuck other chicks.

Yeah... I just typed a butt load of stuff and then the computer glitched and erased it all... I'll rewrite it tomorrow..

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Player Rule #1 You can't tell on other dudes to get pussy.

Player Rule # 2 You can't tell on other dudes to get pussy.

Thats how you become her BUDDY. When you bust guys and snitch on them for her.. " This is a PUA tactic he's doing ". Let him run his game bro.. You're working for the wrong team; and thats why both of these women consider you a friend. You help them with the guys they're currently talking to. Man up dude.

If this guy is an actually "Pua" like you say; I would befriend him over the girls so I can get some valuable first hand experience. But thats just me.

But no, there isn't anyway you're breaking out of the friend zone as long as you are showing the same kind of behavior that got you in it in the first place.

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Thank you all for your advice and sorry for the long post, I know it's an hassle to read.

I know this is the wrong move, but as I said before, gaming her would just be a bonus. Just to clarify some stuff:

I am gaming other girls. I currently have two FWB's, game several girls at work and university and at night outs. Even had a few one night stands, so it's not like I have oneitis and absolutely want to game her.

The other dude is a bigger noob than me, blew his game, didn't do any kino (she said it's like he was afraid to touch her and she even thaught he was gay) and gave her waaaayyyyy too much attention (dayly 3 hour long phone talks kind of attention). I have never met him and probably never will since we have completely different social circles.

Usually on this kind of situation I do tell the girl to go to him and act like I couldn't care less, but she is, above all, my friend, and I don't like to see my friends getting played, especially considering she had her heart broken too many times before. Also, from the start she said he is not her type and that she only liked the attention he was giving her.

I'm all for the "bros before hoes" stuff, but he is not my bro. She is.

Also, I am not friends with them both. I worked with them both until some 6 months ago and since then I am friends with my target and tolerate the other chick on group hangouts with the people from my old job. She is the kind of bitch who steals clients and tells on coworkers. My target covered for me more than once and has always been a good colegue and a good friend, and now because of this situation the other girl has been making things wrong and blaming it on my target, her uniform was "misteriously" damaged, "someone" used her code to the digital punch clock to make it look like she was leaving work early, etc... That is why I am helping her. This goes beyong gaming, this is helping a friend in need, and if I get her in bed in the process, better.

Now, a few updates. I was (probably still am) DEEP in the friendzone. But since this started she stopped talking to me about other guys and started caring more about her image when we are together. Also, I have used the chance to turn the tables and have been talking with her about other girls, to wich she always reacts with jealousy. Finaly, recently she has started saying stuff like "everyone is a phony, you are the only person I can rely on", and so on...

My plan is to help her solve the situation (as I said, I am not doing it to game her, it's just the right thing to do) and then attempt a freeze out. I couldn't get deeper in the friendzone, but I can make the bond between us stronger so she will miss me more when I freeze her. Is this the best option or would you do something different?

Again, thank you all and sorry for the long post.

The way I look at it. If you want the girl and a guy is ever in your way, he is a threat that needs to be dealt with. Not let alone so he can steal her from you..
The PUA Rule #1? Dude gets in your way, you disarm dude. Leaving her with him could score you points and put the odds in your favor, but it's not the only option. May not even be the best.

I think you could make it work going the way you're going. Let me know what happens. I want to know how it turns out.

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Let me ask a question. What do you want from this girl, sex, a relationship?

If it's sex, then you can't say you care about her as a friend and your actions are noble because you're just gonna use her for sex.
If it's a rs, you can't say you don't have one itis because wanting to be in a rs with a friend means you have strong feelings for her that she doesn't have ie, oneitis.

See, you can't play the "trying to protect a friend" card when you want something from her ultimately. If you care so much about her as a friend, why get closer to her to make a freeze out hurt her?

If you're her friend, be a friend and genuinely look out for her. If you want her in bed, then go ahead and manipulate the situation. But don't lie to yourself that you have her interest at heart. Sex complicates a friendship and if you want to fuck her, the friendship can't be that strong if you would risk that.