So I've been out of the so called game for awhile now however I was very well versed in all of the strategies outlined in the forum. Some things I've noticed on my own personal journey.

1. Girls become easy once you understand them the hard part is meeting them but what this game crap teaches you is not to find a woman you love but to "Hook up" with hot girls. This my friends is not satisfying after awhile you become bored and want to settle down. But how can you your a PUA or a WPUA ~ Wannabe Pick up artist

2. Once you find a girl you really like you can not settle down this "Shit" will ruin any relationship you have. You are never satisfied with what you have and realistically how long is a girl going to be attracted to you when you run out of material to talk to her about.

Hell IDK if it gives you hope keep doing it but your wasting your time on this forum right now when you should be doing shit that is attractive to girls. But you all probably think Im and idiot so I'm going to end this rant.


~Saucy

You carry the burden of a rather large assumption in your argument: That all guys are here only to "hook-up", and after that they move on to the next female prospect. This is simply incorrect; sometimes

People come here to share stories, seek advice, on how to attract women. Not only does attraction help in the meeting process, but it also help in relationships as well. Therefore, it is inappropriate to say that "this 'Shit' will ruin any relationship you have." Dude, its not about using canned routines all the time! Its about attracting women so that they get the opportunity to find out who you really are. What you do from there is up to you. . .

The idea is to be able to distinguish yourself among thousands of other guys. Basically, to use stuff that ihas been proven to work! (Plus its a lot of fun.)

Perhaps I am wrong, but these are just some thoughts that came to mind. Nevertheless, I look forward to your response.

Really? Don't you have to meet them before you love them?
You are making an assumption about a lot of people. After the attraction phase, you are just yourself.
Not an idiot, but certainly wrong. You sound jaded. Did something happen?

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Double Your Dating by DD
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Saucy maybe you havent realized, but being a PUA helps you in more ways than girls. You become more comfortable with yourself and you confidence grows in every aspect of your life. Not all people are here for hook ups. I do recall from the book The Game there was a man in it who used the game to help find a wife. A lot of guys just want to hook up with a lot of girls, but others want different things. And I dont belive the game meses up relationships because as it was already said, onc your in comfort its all you...no routines

Bad example dude, that guy's wife cheated and left him.

However, I like what you said about becoming more comfortable with yourself. In the end, we are all in this for ourselves...the Game simply teaches us how to accept who we are while at the same time becoming more socially adept and attractive to the opposite sex.

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i dont think it is even though that happened(i didnt know though) but he still was in the game for a different reason than hooking up with random girls

You're talking about Sweater, the Australian who learned game to get married. Read pg. 369 in the Game, describes what happened to him. Basically, once he got her through game, he reverted to his AFC ways, and she controlled him. She was having his baby and using his wealth while treating him like shit.

Here's a quote:
So again, bad example because of the outcome, even though his intentions were different than the typical PUA as you mentioned.

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Call me crazy, but I never want to settle down. I think to be REALLY successful in something, you have to sacrifice others. For example:

I'd like to have an amazingly successful career, therefore I do not want children, or a girlfriend/wife. I plan on having a vasectomy (and freezing some sperm just in case) soon to re-enforce this.

And to be honest, the deception that goes on in monogamous relationships... just plain disgusts me.

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Say goodnight to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on.

Make way for the bad guy. There's a bad guy comin' through! Betta get outta his way!

Quick, somebody say something witty about Scarface shooting blanks.

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The whole reason i read the books and joined this forum was not to nail females left and right but to be able to get over any fear of regection and be able to walk more confidently with myself. Dating should be fun, rather than stressful.

So in a nut shell Saucy, you basically got served on this one.

Me personally. I just want to hook up with a bunch of random girls. I never like to stay with one for too long. It turns into someone clinging on to a relationship that usually sucks because one of the two is jealous or whatever. Plus , at this point in my life I'm here to get ahead in my career and to stack paper until I have enough to make a smart investment. Having a leechy gf/wife that thinks everything of mine is hers (including my penis as well as my mind) is not on my list of top tens right now. Even if I was looking for a gf/wife LTR I would love the fact of knowing and practicing the game, because I don't want to just settle down with the first cock-eyed woman who giggles my way. I would want to be able to pick and choose and pick the one that is the best for for me and my life.

If you don't have any game, you can't open or continue the conversation long enough to build attraction.. and thus don't have very good odds of having a quality woman as your gf/wife/LTR.

My guess is you learned all about "the game" .. tried to learn as much as possible, memorized a bunch of lines a methods.. and were a social robot in the field. Always too scared to let the woman meet the real you.. and when you ran out of "material" you flopped. It was a girl you really liked, and it hurt. Now you have come back to curse everything/anything PUA.. In fact I am wondering.. if this is not your lifestyle why are even here on this forum.

So go for it buddy.. get out there.. and talk to girls you just meet about your lame job/school, your ex gf that hates you, or why your father never loved you , and see how willing they are to have a conversation with someone that is obviously so socially stunted.

Sorry to be so opinionated but again, the question comes up.. why have you come to the board to state this, if you are so against "the game"??

Agreed.. and let me rephrase my last statement. By "random" I mean, women who I have not met before and are new to me, and with whom I wold like to pursue more than a one-night F-close with... My goal isn't to bang as many as I can either.. as I could certainly do a lot of damage that way . F-closing ugs and less desirables is child's play. For me it's about finding that great, quality girl that is hard for others to get, when I am through with the girl I all ready have. Fortunately for me, there is no shortage of "quality women" where I live.

and BTW.. yes you can still get a gf/wife/LTR even when your "the guy who has no game".. however if you are this average guy that women can find at any place and time in their life and acquire easily... your woman will be whisked away/stolen from you emotionally or physically by someone who she thinks "is so fr*$kin hot!! (nothing to do with looks/physical). Choice is up to you!

Think about it in your own life.. If you have the type of a gf/wife/LTR that you could acquire at any outing of any day of the week.. why wouldn't you leaver her for something "special" or better if the opportunity presented itself?

"The Game" isn't about memorizing lines or skits word for word and needing to recite them exactly. IMHO the fact that you open with confidence and uniquely is what matters most, and being able to keep her attention and excitement long enough to build comfort and attraction are keys to the whole aspect. Not only is this important in PU, but in business relationships / other. So hey, whatever, if you decide not to improve your social skills I doubt too many on this board will cry over it! Making a post to try to persuade others that this stuff is "shit" seems to me to be some sort of resentment from someone who hasn't been able to apply the tips of this community to their life in a positive way. But let's face it, not everyone was meant to be a PUA. It's only those that work at it, learn from mistakes, and don't give up that truly make it towards what they want to be. In fact, guess what, it applies to life as well!! Sorry for such a long rant and so many replies on this post, but I am so sick of hearing people cry/whine and have this type of attitude in real life as well as online. It's like a 2 year old stomping his feet and crying "it's not fair", as if that would change the way things are. Like I said, there are some people who will just not succeed at PU, or at life for that matter. But for those who know who/what/where they want to be and go for it, and never give up until they achieve it.. we will be the ones to succeed..

Yes. sounds like a bunch of B.S. your mother/teachers told you "dear you can be whatever you want when you grow up".. but the funny thing is .. ITS TRUE. But it won't fall in your lap.

How am I so sure?? Well from someone who turned their life around from being in the worst possible position with no opportunities or a leg to stand on to where/who/what I am now.. I see now what it takes to have a successful life. But it doesn't come easy. Adding PUA skills to my ever-improving social skills is just one more rung on the ladder. And while the 2-years olds throw their tantrums and sulk people like me (and alot of you out there) are climbing our ways to the top. Only thing is, each person needs to climb the ladder himself! Those at the tops can only offer the tips on how to climb. That's why I love this "Shit". This forum "The Game", all the gurus... have been on the bottom and are providing the steps it takes to get to the top. But only for those of us who want it bad enough.

Again. sorry for the rant, I don't know what's come over me today