One thing that sours me about PUA as a community is the attached lack of respect for women by a lot of the people who practice it.

And I'm not talking like, not entering into relationships with them, I'm talking more the fundamental ideas that women are dumb, foolish, not equal etc. I really hate that because I have immense respect for women and don't think that being able to interest women sexually needs to come with such blatant disrespect. I fuck a lot, but have no problem considering myself a feminist at the same time.

Anywho, what say you? Do you have respect for women as people? Do you think they're equals to you?

I love women. The PUA community has its bad side and its good side. And of course I respect women as people, it is a fundamental human right that everyone should be treated equally in my eyes. The more you have sex with women, the more you see it from their point of view, if you allow yourself to do so. Some guys who fuck alot will disregard women, other guys like myself will see how tough some girls have it and be genuine.

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Don I think your statement is true, in general for all men, the more time you spend around women the more you understand them.

I think a lot of the people who don't respect women are the ones that have or have had trouble attracting them. Not always true of course, there's plenty of awesome PUAs who don't respect women, but I find most of the people with nasty things to say about women are the ones that aren't all that good with them.

I respect women BUT with a more realistic perspective. I spent my teenage years growing up around women. To raise funds for college, my mom took in lady bedspacers since our place at the city was near 2 colleges. Women are highly emotional and only a few are logical at certain times of the day; most of the time, they're emotional.

We'll just have to accept that. Nature meant it that way. I'm not saying that women are less intelligent than men; not at all. They're just highly emotional most of the time. Any right thinking man will fit in this naturally. That's the proper way to respect women.

When they're frowning (maybe because of their menstrual period), eject. When they're trying to argue, don't pull out logical reasoning and facts and figures. They're not men. That's a big way to disrespect women. The proper way is to sexually escalate while they're all pent up in fury and anger and then bang their pussy to oblivion. That's the proper way to respect women.

When women volunteer to cook for you or clean your apartment, let them. Don't do the chores and say, "Well, this is how you should do it. I do this (or my mom does this) better than you do." That's absolute disrespect to women's nurturing instincts. The proper way to respect them in this aspect is to say, "Sweetie, can you clean the bathroom too? I just can't figure out how to use all of these equipment and chemicals for the toilet."

When she smiles or pouts and mumbles a complaint, that means she's psychologically satisfied as fuck that she's needed and wanted by a vulnerable, strong man who can't clean the bathroom. That's how you respect women; make them feel good and feel that they are women through and through.

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do I respect women?

Depends on the woman

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I will not disrespect (or respect) someone for their sex alone. In order to get respect from me the person must earn it. There have been plenty of women in my life I was not attracted to but respected more than most of the men out there. Respect is earned regardless of what someone is, for me, it is earned based on what they do.

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You hi fivin motherfucker, you HI FIVIN MOTHERFUCKER.

Respectable point. That's kind of what I'm driving at here, women are just people.

I think it's stupid to fit women into some tired 1950's-era societal trope like Hellhound did because it's not reality; it's bullshit pseudo-science.

Within attraction, I think being a little more aware of individual women's personalities and motivations, which are different from chick to chick gets you better mileage. Just saying things like "she wants a strong man who can't clean a bathroom" is a little too basic.

Outside of attraction, thinking of women as irrational emotional creatures is horribly counterproductive to a lot of aspects of society. I mean, c'mon, it's 2013, hoping for some mad-men type world these days is just backwards.

Okay Mr. Scientist. So you think women's nurturing instincts which are hard coded in human genes can drastically change in less than one generation, some 53 to 63 years?

You are confusing societal memes with genetic instincts of masculinity and femininity. If you have to reason, reason out logically and state facts and figures rather some emotional "it's stupid to fit women into some tired 1950's-era societal trope".

Debate on the merits of the idea and don't attack a person based on some lousy heavy metal song meme. Argue like a man. That is, if you're a man. If you're a woman, I won't debate this with facts and figures and logical reasoning out of respect to your gender.

If you're a man, let's start with some figures.

Around 80% of men work in engineering (a mainly logical profession) while less than 20% are women. On the other hand, 9 women work as nurses compared to 1 man and many men in nursing are gay. There's logical instincts and nurturing instincts for you.

If you're a woman, I'm done with this thread. I don't argue with women.

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Your half-baked ideas =! science. Where's any scientific research that proves this?

I definitely have a penis. But I run a software company and employ female programmers and software architects. They certainly don't program with "emotions". I do however get really pissed when I have to deal with douchebros like you who assume things about their competency and fuck up work progress.

Your view is overly simplistic.
Okay, so you pull a few numbers out of your ass (sources please?) and somehow you're debating "like a man" and "with logic". If you're going to debate about something like women's genetic instincts, you can't debate it with assfacts like that. You have to dig into scientific literature.

Here's a fairly recent study that gives a pretty in depth view of how many women leave technical workforces and examines the reasons why they do. http://studyofwork.com/files/2011/03/NS ... t-0314.pdf. It highlights things how discrimination in the workplace, and the expectation that at home despite working they're often still expected to do most of the caretaking play into it.

I also love how you say you'll never debate with women. That's basically saying "my logic is so awesome about women that I'm going to run from any logical challenges they pose". Sound reasoning there friend.

Let's keep the discussion civil. Let's stay away from negative labels as much as we can avoid it.

First, let's address the figures before we dive into rhetoric. Also, our main focus should be on seduction and maybe relationships rather than careers. We can talk gender roles on careers on the side as minor points.

Okay, since you provided a study done by two women, I'll also provide studies done by women to keep it fair to the female gender since we are both male. Here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9292354

The full text of the above study is available for free. The figures for nurse gender ratios are in page 226 under the header "Tokenism and Male Advantage"

http://www.nspe.org/resources/pdfs/blog ... ssion2.pdf

Likewise, the above link is a free full study. The ratio of men engineers versus women engineers are in page 63, Table 10. This is to prevent any misinterpretation of graph data. The figure says 192,900 females and 1.5 million male engineers.

What I provided beforehand are ballpark figures that can be immediately seen on search engine results. The above two links are the supporting details. Again, let's focus on the figures first and disregard the forward looking statements and sentiments in those studies.

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Well that says that there IS a disparity between genders in the workforce, but says little to nothing about the cause. Just citing a number doesn't prove that it's just because "women are emotional, not logical". That would simply be an unproven hypothesis.

It also says underrepresented minorities (hispanic/black) hold VERY few engineering positions despite being ~21% of the population. By the same logic we could infer that those minorities "simply don't have good ability to reason logically".

Do you have any articles that support your hypothesis that it's because "women are emotional"?

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Those who have been around know that I think hellhound is the worst regular poster on these boards; however, without getting too involved in this conversation, it is very naive to assume that all brains are wired equally...with that said, there are definite societal pressures that are at least partially responsible for the gap. I have seen it first hand in academia, with both my parents (yes, a man and a woman) being math professors..

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One step at a time. This thread is about the manner in which women should be respected in seduction and relationships.

Let's keep the focus there.

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