So I finished work yesterday and my friends (mutual between me and her) called me up for a beer. Went for it, she comes like an hour after and starts sticking to me, I act heavily disinterested at first. She keeps doing kino on my chest/abs and telling me I look good and checking if I still have my six packs and laughing at sexual things we used to send each other long time ago (inside jokes).

Anyways, rewarded her for her behavior and she started wanting to take pictures, did that. Then this guy who's craving her for the past 4 weeks comes up and they start flirting. I keep it casual and fun and I know how to make my group laugh, they were isolated alone. Anyways, had to leave early so I just said goodbye and left.

I think there's still this sexual attraction from both sides, but she doesn't seem to want to look like a slut triggering it. And I'm taking a huge risk triggering it because she rejected me before and we fought big time.

PS: I was gaming a couple of girls in front of her and I glanced for a second and she was looking to see who I was with.

You are in two places...

- the friendzone
- denial

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Don't think so. There's weird things going on.

When I told her that I like her around 2 months ago, she flaked me off saying that she wants to hook up with different guys and flirt. Anyways, she messages me today and tells me "I'm stopping hook ups and no more drinking for me". She starts calling me on my phone to tell me who she hooked up with after me and starts telling me stories of how it happened. She's going into too much details, there's hope.

Oh to be young again. . .

Tell me about it. I feel like a 13 year old right now, but whatever, I'll have to see what happens. I'm just curious.

Dude, you're getting played, hard. I almost feel embarrassed for you. You've become an orbiter without even realising it. This chick is harming your game and your reputation.

Get out while you still can. Don't even try to game her. Block, delete, ignore. Find a girl who's not better than you at head games. This kind of woman is the most dangerous. She leads you on with false hope then takes great pleasure in your jealousy and misery. There's a word for that. It's known as Schadenfreude and you should avoid it at all costs.

The point that I'm conveying here is that I am already gaming 5 other girls at the same time. I do NOT have Oneitis and I do NOT get jealous, I got over that a really long time ago. True, she might be playing me, but who cares? If it was only her, I would've gotten played. But there are tons of other girls I can always game and I'm already hooking up with some of them, so her leaving me won't be a big deal, I'd just friendzone her if I have a feeling of something bad coming along the way.

this might sound rude but you seem sort of needy and obsessed with this girl, i don't think you have 5 other girls on the go but you are wanting/waiting for something to happen with this girl and it doesn't seem like shes too keen, if a girl rejects you because she wants to flirt and be with other guys then she sort of sounds like a needy whore, you should man up and move on

Can you please explain how am I being needy when SHE is the one who texts me all her life stories and all I do is reply with an "ok" or "great"? How is it that I'm needy when I ignore her completely and she gets all flirty and touchy over me? How am I being needy when I'm gaming other girls in front of her and she has her eye on me all the time?

And for the part "I don't think you have 5 other girls", please put your own assumptions aside and keep them to yourself. Lying won't benefit me in any way if it is done to anonymous people on forums. I have a lot of public relations in this country, and there is no need to verify myself to anyone.

I'm not a master PUA, in fact if you look at the introduce yourself section you will discover i only came across this community last night, one thing i am really into though is psychology, So i'll put myself in your shoes, Your an alpha male, your attitude with woman is to fuck them and leave them or at least it is with this one in question, you have 5 girls on the go all of who have conveyed interest in you, 6 including this girl. Now if i was in your shoes and this girl didn't want to have sex with me and that's all i was after before i left her anyways i would be like ah well cant sleep with them all and move onto one of the other 5, the fact that she wont or hasn't slept with you yet is eating at you and your seeking advice shows maybe you have more feelings for this girl than you let on or even realise.

Maybe needy wasn't the right term and sorry if it offended you but people including myself have told you it seems like shes not that into you and you have tried to convince us and in a way yourself that that isn't true. Why would she show you attention if she wasnt interest in you? because she wants it back. its called being on the hook girls like to know lads are attracted to them because it makes them feel good whether they like them or not.

I completely understand your point. I do not measure experience by the number of posts neither by the things people say, it's how they say it that matters. I did not mean to offend you in anyway in my previous message, but I hate how people sometimes have these wrong assumptions about others even when they do not know them personally.

I have a lot of experience with girls, I've been through a lot, actually more than a lot. Four years of university, 2-3 different girls per week and I consider that a lot to be honest. I have even been close to my sisters my whole life and got exposed to their friends (girls) at a young age of 13 and I started from there. I know how they think and why they think this way. However, this girl got me frustrated about sleeping with her, I have no idea why and I'm being completely honest. I've always nexted girls and I did not care a single bit what they thought of me leaving them suddenly. This one gave me an obsession. I completely ignored the fact that she existed for around 5 times, but every time I see her, I still get this HUGE sexual attraction towards her that brings all these things to me again.

And to be completely honest, I won't "dump" her after sleeping with her, it's just the idea that's haunting me. She's been my friend for around 10 months now, a really close friend, but I got carried away too much with this sexual attraction with her and now it's popping in my head every single time I remember her or see her. I contradicted myself quite a lot on this thread and I'm really sorry, but this is the truth.

its cool i wasn't offended, i was maybe a bit too blunt in my first post and i came across as dismissive of you without knowing you which i apologize for. i love woman, i love there company. I don't objectify women even though i have one night stands i would never purposely use or hurt a woman so i know what its like more than most on here to have real feelings for a girl, i was just trying to say maybe without you consciously realising it or not that you might have deeper emotions for this girl more than just a sexual motive which your long friendship could explain, anyways hope it all works out for you man

This is one of the great insights I've encountered around here lately. I've checked the Wikipedia article on it and sure enough, here's something interesting about it:

"A 2009 study indicates that the hormone oxytocin may be involved in the feeling of schadenfreude. In that study, it was reported that when participants in a game of chance were pitted against a player they considered arrogant, inhaling oxytocin through the nose enhanced their feelings of schadenfreude when their opponent lost as well as their feelings of envy when their opponent won." from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude

Oxytocin = Touch

OP, you wrote in this thread that this girl likes to kino your chest and biceps. Somehow, she got her oxytocin high from that interaction with you. If we take a closer look at it, this girl appears to be unconsciously competing with you. Competitive girls have higher testosterone than the average non-competitive girl. In short, these girls are horny.

Now, somebody saying that you're not alpha got it all wrong. In fact, you are. Hence, you want to win this girl in some sort of subtle competition. Alphas usually want to fix things or win most of the time. Alphas would rather hunt the hard prey than the easy prey due to the testosterone high associated with the chase.

Now, you can't win all the time. Your fellow PUA brothers are concerned about your welfare here. This is normal among a group of men who are bonded by a common interest which is in our case, women.

If you want to win this, I think your best bet is to deprive her of her oxytocin high through touch. Instead, bait her to get her release via orgasms which produce massive amounts of oxytocin.

Heywood Jablowme's warming the girl up starting morning and then f-closing her at evening seems to be your best bet. Hint: Sexting. When you meet, deprive her of her need to touch you. Blow warm breaths into her ear... Eyefuck... But stay away from her touch. Next, stress her out. Get angry about anything and let her pacify you... And again, depriving her of her need to touch you. Then, isolate.

You've got nothing to lose if you try this option.

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+1 on Hellhound's alpha male analysis.

If you truly are gaming 5 other girls, then focus on them. Reward girls who treat you well and pump & dump girls who treat you like shit. I've had my share of insane women. I understand the attraction. Don't assume I haven't been there. There is truth in the statement "crazy in the head = crazy in bed". But with experience you will realise they are not the type of women you should be actively pursuing or partying with. If you absolutely must go for this girl, she should be no more than a private booty call / low commitment fuck-buddy, don't get deeply involved even if she tells you that's what she wants. These kind of low self esteem, bi-polar sociapaths get wet thinking about the power they have over men.

Why do you put up with her calling you bragging about her fucking other guys? Don't play into the jealousy game. You should be calling her out on her behaviour. Eg. "Call me when you're ready for me to fuck your brains out. Until then, stop calling me." You are allowing her to disrespect you and she is getting off on the idea that you are squirming with hidden jealousy and pretending to be unaffected by it. You might think that you're acting all cool / alpha with hearing about her with other guys, but you've been ultra-defensive about your actions on this 3-page thread, so don't assume she is too stupid to see through your "cool" act.

Play head games with a sociopath and you will always lose. They will beat you with manipulation and experience.

Most important part first. I'd like to thank you so much for understanding the situation I'm in right now. I was hoping someone would come and say something other than "give her the D" or "next her immediately". You've proved me wrong, there are some decent people around here, and you are one of them.

This method seems to be one hell of a ride, but I'll take it. As you said, I have nothing to lose. I'm not displaying sexuality by touch. Doing it without touch will be a bit hard and complex, but hey, it's always great to go through new experiences and learn.

My welfare is not at risk as what many people here have thought it to be, maybe a little, but it's ok, we all pass through these stages once every now and then.

I'll follow this method and I'll report its results the next time I see her. You never know, it might work wonders and we'll have something new to add to the PUA community. (All thanks to you and the PUA community of course).

PS: I'll research the topic so I get a better understanding of the details in it.

Thanks again