So yesterday I visited this girl at her place (been there several times now) and everything went very well. Some really nice kino, cuddling like crazy, touching and caressing her whole body... She was touchy as well, so yeah... The thing is: She knows that i want her. That i have feelings for her. And she told me that she has feelings for me too but i need to do the first step which in her opinion is a kiss, to make this relationship happen!

Now im totally honest with YOU guys: I never had a girlfriend, so i am for some reason really really exited about my/our first kiss. Even though i know she wants it, i couldnt do it for month!! Yesterday i just thought "fuck it!! Just do SOMETHING!! You cant go wrong because i know she is expecting a kiss"

So when i was about to leave, i grabbed her waist pulled her close to me and just went in for a kiss. I mean our lips touched, but you couldnt really call it a kiss at all, because she pulled back her head a little a said "no". Not in a aggressive way or something. Just a small quite "no". Of course i let her go immediately!!
I stepped back and asked "No?". She just shook her head... I wasnt mad or anything at all! I just said "Alright, sweety sleep well, see you then" and left.
This morning she texted me: "Im really sorry, it was a stupid situation yesterday..." i replied "Everything is fine!"

So yeah my questions are:

What do you think could have been the reason for her rejection? She has feelings for me too, and everything that happened in the hours before that situation speaks for itself... My best guess is that she was kind of confused because i hesitated the whole evening and when i was about to do i got really nervous and i just think that she could feel and see that and got uncomfortable with the situation. I know that i should have kissed her when we where touching and cuddling on her couch but...yeah...it is what it is.

And what do you recommend you to do next? I definitely want to make this whole thing happen so i guess i will just try it again next time in a better situation and act like this whole thing never happened.

Thanks guys!

Lol 7th grade is tough.

Go get a handy from a skanky 8th grader and you will feel better about everything.

If he starts learning about pua when he's 15 he'll be swimming in chicks when he's 20. Give the kid some credit.
You don't have the right to be an as$ just cuz you were born sooner.

How old are you / she ? Can't really give you any half decent advice without knowing that.

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Im 21, she is a few month older 22. She had like 3 boyfriends i believe... Her last boyfriend left her about 2,5 years ago...

I really don't know what to say...1 month is ... damn.

Kinda unsure how you get to talking about feelings without even kissing yet but yeah.


I've had girls try to do the "hard to kiss" thing to me. If she denies it more than twice I stop attempting it and start kissing the corner of her lips instead , real close. Teasing her basically.
Eventually she'll try to turn it into a real kiss at which point you back off and jokingly say:"What ? now you wanna kiss me ? Not happening."

Works every time. Keep her waiting for as long as you like but don't go overboard. You can leave her hanging for the day if you were just about to leave or you can go for 10-15 minutes if you're at her place and have no intention of leaving yet.

Anyway this will help you with future similar scenarios , but for your current one , next time you're at her place and cuddling/touching/whatever it is you do just make eye-contact. It's obvious when she wants you to kiss her. All over her eyes , there's no way she can hide it.



Stay completely unphased by the awkward thing that just happened and for the love of god just don't pussy out again.

Also what exactly does "touching" mean ?

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I have got to assume this has to do with where you live as the things you describe are so far out there compared to what goes on in the states. You probably need some advice from someone who has experience gaming in super conservative cultures/countries

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Its a kind of strange situation but i cant blame her at all...Its my fault and i know it. I have a huge huge kissing anxiety. Dont ask me why and how...It is what it is. Like i said its going to be my first real kiss ever and i make it the biggest and most complicated thing ive ever done in my life. So... For me personally it was a huge ass step to finally grow a pair and go for a kiss! It was such a huge overcoming! And she knew that i have a problem with that because i talked to her about this problem. But she says she wont do the first step...So i had to do it, no matter what. So i doubt that teasing her and whatever will work because she said she is the girl and she WILL NOT do the first step. NEVER! What can i say...

And what does touching mean?

Well its like this: We basically lay on her couch, and watch TV... So while we are cuddling (we usually change positions from time to time) i caress different body parts. I pull up her shirt a little and caress her lower back, from there i go underneath her pants and start touching or caressing her butt. I caress her head/face, kiss her head/forehead thats no problem at all...Depending on how she sits or lays i grab or caress her breast (she has some big tits though), i pretty much touch and grab/ caress anything i can get Dont get me wrong but i only do this caressing and teasing/touching thing on purpose! Its not because im a pussy and dont dare to lift up her shirt, undo her bra and grab those big boobs. But im pretty damn sure she wont let me do that before i made "the first step" which to me is the biggest problem.

Oh and eye contact?...We have it all the freaking time! When we are talking to each other our faces ore close as hell all the time! She looks into my eyes, looks at my lips i do the same. But usually im to afraid to kiss her THEN! Thats how its always been in the past. Knowing that now you will probably agree that it wasnt the best moment to try to kiss her in the dark and cold corridor right before im about to leave...I know.

Hope those information gets you a better view on the situation.

Thanks!

If she's into you any time is the right time to kiss her within reason.

Where are you from? What kind of girl is she? Need more info on her and you. You could be a very timid guy or have a past history with her or other people which might influence her decisions and how she handles things... If she's an attention seeker she's probably enjoying the attention. Also, the last time she had a boyfriend was two and a half years ago? Shit son, why?

This is extremely hilarious to me because I'm just imagining how you can easily touch her tits and ass but you can't work up the courage to kiss her, hahah.

Next time you lay face to face with her and you see her looking at your damn lips you GO FOR IT.
That's as clear as clear gets.


I'm starting to get the idea that she's messing with you & punishing you for being such a wuss.

You're probably gonna get laid once you kiss her too.
Buy a condom.

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Okay well lets see if i can answer all your questions...

Where am i from? From Germany.
What kind of girl is she?...Well...certainly not an easy one! The thing is this...She is pretty. She has a pretty face. BUT she is a bit chubby you know. So obviously not the type of girl most guys my age like. Im sure she is not very comfortable with her looks so she is definitely not an attention seeker. But either way, she is very self confident, outspoken, open minded. Some people call her arrogant because she is a bit spoiled.But thats okay because im exactly like that.But on the other if you spend time with her she is this dreamy little shy girl that wants to be a loved princess. She knows what she wants for her future and i feel like i can be just that! I really DO understand that most guys will not bear her unusual and crazy nature for very long, which (i guess) is the reason all her boyfriends left HER! But honestly i love it. I learned to handle her and i love her just the way she is.

What kind of guy am I ?
Im a self confident kid man...Im certainly not the timid guy. I know what i want and i know how to get it. I always was the kid arguing with the teachers, doing pranks crazy shit. I like to go against things and when i feel like im not treated right i argue and fight the shit out of it.
Actually not the kind of guy who has problems getting girls. A lot of girls have been interested in the past but they where not on my level and i didnt like them...what can i say. The thing is this: I never had problems talking to hot girls or becoming FRIENDS with them not at all! Back in "highschool" i was friends with the hottest girls of the school, hands down! But i was they friend type you know. When it was about getting sexual i wasnt good enough. The hot soccer players fucked the girls and i was good enough to listen to them when they felt bad. For some reason it never worked with the girls. I never was able to get a girl. I never learned how to do anything else than talking to a girl...And now, years later thats a huge ass problem!

The situation between us?
Please check out my other posts for that. Its simply to much to explain. The whole thing between us is now going for 1,5 years!! To keep it as short as possible: She got to know me when i was a god damn unexperienced pussy! In the past 1,5 years i changed completely (mainly because of her!) from being a needy unexperienced pussy who had no clue about girls at all to a confident attractive man (i lost 50 fucking pounds!) who knows what he wants. And she feels that. She sees how ive changed and how im treating her now...

Anyways...back to my questions though:

"What do you think could have been the reason for her rejection? She has feelings for me too, and everything that happened in the hours before that situation speaks for itself... My best guess is that she was kind of confused because i hesitated the whole evening and when i was about to do i got really nervous and i just think that she could feel and see that and got uncomfortable with the situation. I know that i should have kissed her when we where touching and cuddling on her couch but...yeah...it is what it is.

And what do you recommend you to do next? I definitely want to make this whole thing happen so i guess i will just try it again next time in a better situation and act like this whole thing never happened"

Thanks!!

You've had a thing with her for a year and a half? Fuck man... Seriously. Fuck.

I would say so friend zoned she probably sees you as genuinely gay which is why she lets you away with that shit.

As R.C. said: Go for it. Just go for it. Don't back down, don't be a wimp, just kiss her, force it. If she gives heavy resistance and clearly states "No!" then she's just fucking with you man. After grabbing her tits and ass and she won't kiss you this chick is definitely fucking with your head and just taking comfort in the fact that you're feeding her ego.

Does she flirt with other guys? Has she shown exclusive interest in other guys or what? Is she on a rollercoaster with another guy that you know of? She could simply be using you as a cushion for when shit doesn't go well for her. The only way you know is if you kiss her and try go all the way. If she flat out refuses she has nothing there for you.

When she said she had feelings for you what did she say exactly?

Again... I know its my fault! I should have kissed her way back in the days. Should have maned the fuck up earlier but i needed this time i guess!

"Does she flirt with other guys? Has she shown exclusive interest in other guys or what? Is she on a rollercoaster with another guy that you know of? She could simply be using you as a cushion for when shit doesn't go well for her."

No. Not at all! When she talks to other people about something i did or said she even says "my boyfriend did..."
I know that she is not seeing any other guys. She even lets me read her messages. She always talks some straight relationship stuff! Things like "If i was your girlfriend what would you do..." last time i visited her her mother was there. I already knew her. She was like "You look so cuter together" or "I actually saw a really nice wedding dress for you yesterday" (just a joke of course) so you can tell that she told her mother about me and that she is actually thinking about a possible future with me!

She wants it! And i think trying it again and try to go all the way is the only right thing to do now...

Dude, it's not your fault. Seriously, lose that mentality.

It's her fault. You kissed her when she showed interest and told you she liked you then she backed out. You were a nice AFC and didn't press or get pissed. You deserve a clap on the back for that much.

It is her fault and don't make excuses up saying otherwise. The here and now is: She's saying she wants you. You go for it. She does a 180 and shuts you down for no reason. Her fault. Not yours. If she liked you so much she would have kissed you no matter how sloppy things were or how bad it was about to go. She fucked it up so don't take the blame for this one.

Go kiss her again. Next time you're close and intimate with her just grow a pair, look her in the eye and go to kiss her. If she says no then there's something up.

Not one more post out of you unless it says:

"I did it guys. I kissed her".

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I believe in the "kiss" part you really screwed up, you talk about a very soft kiss and then she said no... right? Well... maybe she expected a full passional kiss. Be confident about that when you happen to meet her again. Don't pussy out one more time! She is a woman she wants YOU TO BE IN CHARGE... dont forget it.