I am a guy who struggled a lot with his confidence in the past so I had very little dating life. I've recently conquered most of that and now I am ready to get into dating game


Basically, what I am asking is dating always a huge numbers game? Are any of you guys so good with your social skills that you can see a hot girl somewhere and pretty much guarantee you can get a date with her (assuming she's not married/ engaged/etc...). What is your general closing percentage when you approach women in terms of getting a date?


I am asking this cause I'm just trying to figure out how to set my expectations. I am a guy who takes a lot of pride in being successful in everything I do. I don't want to get extremely frustrated if I get rejected 9 out of 10 times if that's normal

No it's not a numbers game. I used to believe this but when your skills get good your skills get good. Once yuo understand the underlying principles it's a true matrix mindfuck and you realize you could've dated/fucked girls you thought were completely disinterested in you, but they were actually interested. Girls are usually interested and guys usually eject extremely quickly. Over time you will realize this and internalize this, and you will be surprised.

Yes and no. Yes, it is a numbers game in the sense that you have to practice it and internalize it in order to learn anything. Experience gives you knowledge.

However, no. It's not a numbers game if you are thinking just approach as many women as possible. Sure, that might work a few times for you. More interactions does not mean more sex if they were all shit interactions. Get better each time.
No guy on this planet is that "good" that he can pull any woman he wants. It doesn't work like that. These are human beings we are talking about. For starters, there is this little thing called "sexual chemistry" that's important/required between two people having sex. This is not a science dude. Not everyone is gonna like you.

However, learning how to interact with women better does give you the ability to swing things in your favor a little bit. Not 100% obviously. But accept that this is a skill and the more you practice it, the better you will get.

Which brings me to... Don't worry about what your "closing percentage" is. There is no monthly bonus if you have a higher close rate. Go out and talk to girls because its fun.

The reason I am trying to figure out what a reasonable "closing percentage" (I know, it's a dumb term) is so I can kinda set me expectations at a reasonable level


I'm a guy who hates to fail at anything I ever attempt so I mean what am I looking at here? If I do a very good job, talk to 10 girls, get 7 numbers, can I expect half those numbers to be dates? I understand there is huge variation...just trying to get a rough idea

Yes. It's a game of numbers.


At first you're success ratio is 0.5 / 10. When you get lucky.

Then you learn , think , understand. It starts to make sense. You get better.

2/10 - > 5 / 10.

9 / 10.

You will never ,ever get to the point where no girl will ever shut you down ever again. It'll still happen from time to time. It's still a game of numbers. DIfference is , the numbers are working in your favor now .

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You can maybe expect 3 outta those 7 numbers to return a text and maybe 1 to go on a date.

Still that largely depends on your initial interaction.

Then again you can get 7 responds and 7 dates. That's the very essence of a game of numbers.

But you can literally get 10 numbers on the way to the grocery store and back.

If you approach 50 girls / week , a weekend will not go by without you having a date.
That's 200 girls / month.
Even if you "get lucky" with 1% , that's 2 girls.

Somewhat sadly , that's more than most guys get per years.

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My situation is a little unique. I am looking for a girlfriend. I don't really care for sex...If I would find a nice, cute girl in decent shape who liked me, I would date her exclusively right away

Also I don't do the number spam thing where I try to talk to every girl everywhere. I try to talk to girls in comfortable settings where there are not a huge amount of obstacles in the way. I ask them out if I have build some significant rapport...I won't ask them out after a 3 minute conversation

This whole numbers game theory has to be interpreted the right way. If you interpret it the wrong way then you can get in this mentality of "all i have to do is approach shit loads of girls". As an AFC I sarged MORE than I do now, but I get about triple what I used to.

Approaching is only, hmm, 30% of game. The real keys are confidence and escalation. If you are confident and can escalate well you won't need to approach all that often to get lays.

As for percentage of time you can pull a girl, I reckon the limit is roughly 7/10. I've known a few guys that were close to this mark at when my game has been at its peak I was close to that aswell. Some guys say 7/10 is impossible but if your game is super tight girls have a very very hard time saying no.

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If my goal is just to get a nice/cute girlfriend, I'm assuming my challenge is much much easier than what you guys are looking for, right?

PUA is about pulling girls, if its for a SNL or a girlfriend same basic principles apply.

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Sounds reasonable. Only difference it seems to me is that I'm not really in a rush to get a girl into bed cause I don't care about the numbers game. I just want a quality girl

If you're cold approaching you have to SNL to get her attention. Slow game is shit and your game needs to be even tighter to pull off slow game then SNL. If you want a relationship best way to start is SNL, this whole theory how if you looking for a relationship you got to take it slower is total rubbish bullshit. I've had 5 relationships, 2 started as cold approach SNL, 1 was a girl from work who i fucked first day we bothered to talk to each other, and the other 2 were straight to bedroom day 2's.

Want SNL or relationship same rules dude same rules.

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My goal is to make a girl want to have sex with me as soon as possible but I'm not going to press her if she wants to have sex on the 3rd date or 4th date or what not

Cant remember the last time I met a girl that wanted to wait to date 3. If you game girls well they will riping your pants off on date 2 at the latest.

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you're probably right. I slept with last 2 women on the first date actually