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Reading The Game by Neil Strauss. He mentions he used the opener of do you believe in Magic Spells, and using the ESP routine of the number game; guessing your number.

So I go to the mall, I live in Dallas (just moved here from Toronto, Canada) I see a blonde girl working at a earring stand, who looks like shes 20 a 7.5 out of 10. Her face maybe a 8 out of 10 but no boobs.

So I approach her from an angle 10 o clock position and I say
"Hi, I was wondering about your earrings and if you guys pierce."

so we start talking about what earrings to get, and I see a black earring and I say "does this black earring give you magic powers or something, whys it black" and she giggles, and say no they don't give it magic powers.

I than say "well do you believe in magic spells?" (trying out this opener) and she says "um I am not sure, but I watch David Blaine"

I am like ok cool you know, and in my head Im like does she show any IOIs? What should I do ? how can i work her. So I decide to run the number game an ESP.

I asked her "do you believe in mind reading, I learned this the other night from a buddy at a party, can I try it on you?

"Sure" she says

"Give me your hands" So i hold onto her hands and told her to look at me and to think of a number from 1 - 10 and I was like ok don't lie to me now.
"is it 7?" I ask, and shes like "no" So i decide to neg her a bit and say ok well its probably you that's the problem.

She giggles a bit and I fluff around ask her whats there to do in Dallas etc she ask me what I do for work, but i am not sure if shes genuinely interested, but she seemed to be comfortable and i spent maybe 7-10 minutes talking to her.

I asked her "so how do i keep in contact with you, I would like you to show me around sometime"

silient pause, she seems kind of hesitant, and shes like "I have a boyfriend and he doesn't like it when i give out my number, I am not sure.." It seemed as though I could have influenced her and been like "ya c'mon its ok just give me your #" and she would have most likely.

Anyways so she gives me her email, and a business card to the phone where she works.. Im like ok cool and throw it away.

I need some suggestions, and what do I say when a girl says she has a bf? (I honestly believe her tho, that she has one she seemed genuine.)

Also I called my friend and hes like I cant believe you used that line "do you believe in magic spells" and my friend was saying how corny it is to say that, and really quite negative. My friends like ya thats really corny and hes like you touched a girls hands? she must think your really wierd or something.

Anyways that kind of shot me down with my confidence a bit, I was really going in head strong.

Do you think its corny to use those techniques?

It's not corny at all dude hahaha but i'm impressed that the girl didn't laughed her ass off. "The game" is really known and has been ridiculized in movies and tv shows. Your friend is just a pussy, you're the one who read a book and got out of hishouse to talk to girls. you're the man! most of guys (me included) read the game and get addicted to info.

about your problem, most of the times, when girls say they have a bf, they don't. it's like a test to see if after they say it, you keep your cool...

in my experience, just say in a arrogant way BUT playful, "so? i don't wanna marry you "
don't be affected by it.

also, i personally don't like routines, but if that's what makes you comfortable, keep on doing it. eventually you'll develop a personality based on your success, and won't need them anymore

Hey man,

Just thought I would say seems like you did great! For like a first timer you had tonnes of good techniques going for you there in that interation.... But what you say doesnt matter half as much as how you say it or how you use language to build and drive the interaction.... Just to remind you, you opened, you made her laugh, you went kino, you num-closed and she didnt reject you once! Or did omit something here.... ?

Dont listen to your buddy there he's just applying his own experience and its different to yours. He has his own limiting beliefs, let him argue for inheriting them, but remind him you still closed! See what matters is what works NOT the words you actually said.

Tonight I thought i had totally fluffed my last route to a k-close but it turned out she just needed more time to be turned on and warm to me. Dont throw the baby out with the bath water, because you nailed it, give yourself a high bro!

Keep advancing, look forward to next episode!

Hey Hunter,

Just to start I'd say you did a great job. Congrats on having the balls to approach a girl and to handle a conversation, nicely done Now a slight bit of critique... all of which is obviously just my opinion, stick to whatever you feel works for you.

I'm not a fan of using canned material, but it can be a good way to relieve some of the AA. If you do choose to use canned openers, I would suggest avoiding ones from The Game/Mystery Method. These still offer valuable advice but they have been around a while and you don't want to be caught out using an opener a girl has already heard; remember, you want to be the one guy that was different.

Why did you throw the business card away? A key aspect of game that is sometimes overlooked is persistence! You could have continued the sarge via email or work phone; admittedly these aren't ideal but still...

A few little things that might help, you might already be doing these though. 1. Smile (it apparently makes you 7x more attractive). 2. Make solid eye contact 3. Kino a lot - where appropriate.

The main thing I want to get across though is WELL DONE on approaching. That's 90% of the battle as you're immediately demonstrating to the girl that you're someone with confidence.

Also, for more recent stuff, hit up Real Social Dynamics. It's run by Tyler from the Game (doesn't come across well in there, I know LOL) but they really focus on being your own person rather than using canned stuff, you might find it beneficial (and NO I am not affiliated with them in any way, just find their stuff useful).

Good luck brother!

Dbo

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Great Job!

First you approached...

You smoothly transitioned into the magic message...

You got her hands!

You got an email!

I would keep her laughing, that she remember you!

Im not sure about the response to the boyfriend things. What ever it is, have enthusiasm and confidence..

ITs my believe that all the PUA stuff leads to confidence!

As for your friends... Your light years ahead of them! Your in the real world, they are in a dream world!

Good Job!

" you touched a girls hands? she must think your really wierd or something. "

that's the problem with a lot of guys - they think if you touch a woman she'll think you're a rapist or something

Being comfortable touching and being touched by people is key!

Dude, I only recommend sharing your experiences with guys who have the same goals as you. Otherwise it can be discouraging, as you said (they don't really understand what you are doing unless they are reading and trying the same stuff. So they may criticize in a negative way).

By the way, about the numbers guessing, start with a number between 1 and 4, and guess 3. Almost always works. If not, say "let's try again", 1 to 10, and guess 7. (Not that really guessing is really important anyway... you did fine when you missed. I'm just throwing it out there)

hunterh1 you did great, don't let people discourage you. Too bad she had a boyfriend, maybe the guys here can give us some ideas on that!

About the "weirdness of the MM routines" debate, I think everything can come out weird or congruent. It is all about the delivery, and for that to work you can adjust the routine to fit your personality. What I do with the number game you used is I'll get the girl to say something personal about her in order for me to discover the number. I'll still say that I can read minds but immediately they figure out that the game is about us getting to know each other, a parallel idea that goes on as the usual conversation goes. It works really well for me since I like reading and talking about psychology and I've noticed it creates that "he gets me" response when done properly.

It would be something like this:

Me: I can read minds, you know / I bet I can figure you out easily, you're no challenge for me / whatever connects with what you were talking about. Continue:
Me: Think of a number from 1 to 4. Now tell me something about you, doesn't have to be a huge secret but it has to be something true. (do not accept things like "I like chocolate", the goal is to discover facts about her that will help you game her - if she can't think of anything just ask the usual interview questions, where she's from and all that. Comment what she says, make fun of her, keep the conversation going, the usual gaming). Only then you say "your number is 3".

I like keeping the conversation superficial at first and then going for more exciting stuff when guessing from 1 to 10, since it is harder she'll probably invest more and say more personal stuff to see if you can guess again. No particular reason, it just makes me laugh.

Another thing I like doing is starting the same way ("I can read minds blabla think of a number") but instead of going for it I'll say "ok, now I need to get to know/understand you a bit more" and just keep talking, forget about the number. A few minutes later I'll interrupt whatever it is she's saying with "by the way, your number was 7 but go on, this is interesting" (nice oportunity for some kino).

My ways of doing it may be confusing and you can easily find all that stuff out without the number game, the point is that I adapted the game so that I would have more fun and it worked really well for me.