Hey guys so I went out to a bar yesterday with a wing of mine. After opening quite a few sets I opened one 4 set and started talking to all the girls one by one. Then I started talking to the hottest chick in the group and she was into me. However she was giving off classical ASD signals. I had a conversation with her for about 20 minutes or so (maybe longer?) and two of her friends left to the smoking area. Everything was there, kino escalation, she abandoned her friends for me, the only thing was her fat friend stayed with her so now I was gaming a 2 set rather than a 4 set, but I wasn't even gaming a 2 set really, since I was mainly speaking to her.

After what I thought was the right time I tried to isolate upstairs, or at least move the set upstairs to the dancefloor, however she said no. She took this as a sign to end the conversation, but I retaliated with "Let's meet during the week" and she rejected my offer. I plowed through, figuring this is just a shit test (which it was) and ASD. Her fat friend really didn't help. I asked her fat friend if she minded whether I take her friend out for a coffee, and even though she liked me she looked at her friend and shook her head (what a bitch!). She then almost LJBF me by saying "Look you're nice and funny and kind but..." but I cut her off and say something else.

Anyway, I say have a nice night and leave (after light heartedly trying to get her out for a coffee which she rejected again).

I go upstairs with my wing to the smoking area. After a while the 4 set comes out, and my wing tells me my target keeps looking at me and her fat friend keeps pointing at me.

I go back inside. After a while we go downstairs and they're there again. I tap her on the shoulder and say "Hey, how are you?" She says "Fine thanks" and gives me the fake IOI tap on the back as if to say good try buddy.

I walk on ready to leave. My WING stops me by the stairs and says she's still interested in me. He says as I tapped her on the shoulder and said hi and then walked on she was about to say something to me (even though when she talked to my face she acted disinterested). I can't believe it because this girl is acting like she's rejected me and is treating me like a buddy. My wing convinces me that she's still interested, so I go to the bar, grab a drink and go back a third time.

Voila turns out she really is interested in me, and all her friends leave us two alone. We get very close, I build more rapport with her, talk shit, fun fun fun, make her laugh, touch her, but her ASD is really high. I'm locked in at this point, but so many people keep moving us around. No matter, our conversation lasts for 30-40 minutes (or more?). She's loving it truly, and I'm loving it truly. She's cool, and she's realizing I'm actually not that bad either. Her friends keep checking up on her from time to time, and she always gives them the "OK" signal with a thumbs up. By now we are VERY close, usually I would have kissed her, but not her. Any type of vibe escalation I make like looking into her eyes seductively in silence she breaks the silence and she can't handle the tension.

So at one point I'm holding her back with both arms and swinging slowly to the music, meanwhile my mouth is the distraction piece to keep her logical mind occupied. However another purposeful silence happens and this is when she says "I should probably get back to my friends now. That would be for the best."

I say "OK, no problem." And I ask again "Would you like to go for an innocent coffee with me?" And she now says "Maybe." I go for the number but she REJECTS the number! It's a classic shit test and she tries to convince me to give her my email. I say "What is email?" and she laughs, and she keeps trying to go for the email but I act like I don't know what email is. In the end she crumbles and says she'll give me her number.

At this point I think it's over but she says "I forgot my english number" to which I say "I'll give you my number and then you call me so we both have each others' numbers." She agrees. I type in my number into her phone and press Call, but she HANGS UP! So now I don't have her number, but I make sure my number is at least saved in her phone.

I say "Text me and MAYBE I'll go for a coffee with you" flipping the script on her. She chuckles. We hug goodbye and I give her a kiss on the cheek.

How the fuck could I have played this to actually end up getting her number? A kiss close was not happening and I was aware of that. Any advice is highly appreciated.

Well, you gave her maximum possible fun. She'll call, text or email within the next 2 or 3 weeks.

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Question: How did you open your sets to warm up and how did you open that 4 set?

I think you have the same problem as me and many others with that kind of girls. I'll put it this way. If a guy like Mystery would look exactly the same and had the same interection like you with her. He would have just pulled her in and kissed her and shee if she rejects him yes or no. Or he would do his K close.. Would you like to kiss me? yes good, maybe good. No: Allright because I never said you could its just that it looked like you had something on your mind ( i havnt dared this)

But ask your self.. Wy would you rather have an rejection at the # close then at a K close?
I think this is one of this girls that wants a boy take the lead. Shes talking to you when you are alone together. Girls like that LOVE to make out but they are just really picky. And they aint the shy guys. If you ask around why woman sometimes reject a guy on the dancefloor when they wanne kiss her. Even alot will say that they don't and when he tries to kisses her she just goes with it because she feels bad to reject her.

So this was girl that as soon as you 2 were alone and you had her hands on her you should have had a fuck it I don't give a shit what you think and just went for the kiss. Now the hardest inner game part comes here.. I NEVER really dare that.. I have to get a fuck it I don't care when you reject me if I try to kiss you. I am honest and show my intentions. And if you wanne be the one who talks alot to me when we are alone and you won't kiss me back then screw you. And even that could be a shit test.. And she wants you to try again. And a guy like Mystery would have done that.

Nope, sorry man but a kiss would have ruined the set. I calibrated correctly in this srt, in fact it was probably some of the best game I have done to date. A kiss would have been extremely needy and she would have run away. You do have a point of just going for it but to be honest I was trying out Alex from rsd's method of just chilling with her and building a lot of rapport and familiarity.
Although now looking back at it after she said "I should go back to my friends, thats probably for the best" i couldve just quickly changed topic and moved her somewhere by leading. And then kissed her somewhere else after checking for compliance.

Based on the details you provided, I think your calibration was good. Not all girls are the same. A few you can lay in less than 3 hours of meeting them and won't do much push-pull on you. Many will do moderate push-pull and you can lay them in 2 to 3 days of sarging. A lot more (at least in my place) will extend the process for one week or more.

I use three tactical ways to calibrate whether to immediately go for the kiss or not. When a girl is comfortable isolating with you, always assume it's on towards the f-close. Here's how I calibrate:

1. Bait her with triangular gazing. If she does not pull her gaze away, go for the kiss.

2. Watch out for the chest rub. When a girl rubs your chest, go for the kiss. She's horny.

3. When you eye fuck her and she eye fucks you back for more than 10 seconds, go for the kiss.

A poorly calibrated seducer is likely to end up in jail or get beat up black and blue by several bouncers.

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I triangular gazed her and she could not handle the tension. I eye ked her for like 3-5 seconds and she said she needs to get back to her friends. Before that I leaned into her ear, didn't say anything and just had silence which got a chuckle out of her and then she couldbt handle the silence as I tried to eye fuck her.
She WAS rubbing my chest sometimes, or at least touching it. We were very very close to each other (her body and tits were pressed against me because it was so crowded). There was definitely a spark it just wasn't officially on. And whensver I tried to make it on officially, she backed off. Maybe I tried in the wrong way?

Ah, it's all good man. You might want to try the nipple rub sometime using your elbow when a girl presses her tits to your arm.

Some girls take off their panties quickly while some take more time. Your game and calibration are good. It's everything but the girl. I think she'll text or call you within the next few days.

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I agree with Hellhound. Most possible scenario is she either has a boyfriend or broke up not long ago, so she's a bit careful now. Keep up the fun and sooner or later she will be willing to do good stuff with you because it's clear like daylight that this girl is into you.

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Yeah, thanks bro. Ball's in her court now since she's got my number, and I don't have hers. Let's see if she texts.

She texted today. We're meeting for a "quick" drink tomorrow.

Game on now. Good luck, Tr@veler!

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Update on the situation:

We met up and I took her to a pretty cool cockatil bar. She showed up full of energy, talking talking talking, so I let her talk talk talk as we walked to the bar. When we arrived at the bar we sat on a nice big couch which was quite uncomfortable since it was hard to turn towards her. Anyway, we talked for around 3 hours or so, slowly feeling each other out, kinoing more and more, laughing a lot. I took it nice and slow on the kino and calibrated accordingly.

Towards the end we got really close and we made out before leaving. We paid, left, had a casual walk back to the station and said our goodbyes. She gave me the two kisses on the cheek, but I pulled her in again for a kiss on the lips.

She's interested, but confused.

I also realized I don't like Day 2s in a lounge bar where you're seated. I felt very uncomfortable throughout it, not only physically but also mentally, I felt quite a lot of pressure because it felt more "official". I want my dates to be more casual, where I feel at home.

If you want casual dates then do fun things. Take her to some activites. Wall climbing and playing pool are two of my favourites but you can come up with whatever else you prefer. During summer, beach is awesome.

If you two are more comfortable with each other you can invite her over to cook something together. It's so easy to make cooking fun with on-the spot humour and being a bit kinky

I'd avoid movie dates and restaurants and things like that because of the reasons you mentioned.

So my main point is invite her to do casual things which are easy to make fun and sexual, and avoid text book "dates". Leave those romantic nights for when you're together because then they are greatly appreciated but until then they are just putting pressure on both of you.

Anyway it seems like the night went pretty well so just keep on doing what you've been doing because it's obviously good

Peace,

In$tinct.

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Haha the cooking at my place was gonna be my next move! See how that goes. Thanks for the advice bro.

Yes, cooking. That's great advice from In$tinct.

I think that's the best isolation routine there is. When you feel the girl is getting horny with your escalation but can't calibrate how horny she feels, bait her to qualify herself to you with her cooking skills.

If she's horny enough, she'll bite and even buy the ingredients for you. When girls do nice things for you, that means they're sexually attracted to you.

Cooking together or her cooking all by herself is more effective than asking girls to see your pet goldfish or playing snake and ladders.

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