I always kiss close first date, and try to f-close the second date. But i see many posts here like "I've been hanging out with her a few days..." et cetera. So should i be more hard-to-get, or follow the 7-hour guideline for f-close, or what? Am i moving too fast?

Depends what you want. Girls can quite easily regret fucking someone on the first date. So, she may not view you as long term material if you let the situation progress like that. While on the other side, if you go through the first date without coming across as needy, and not even suggesting sex and being as gentlemanly as possible, she is going to be much more enthused towards a long term thing.

I usually let the girl lead the way in terms of how the first date should go in this sense.

Yeah, if you f-close too early, or before the 7-hour benchmark, some regard it as being the "fool's mate."

Basically, the girl feels like she put herself out way too early, and as a result can't face you.

I'd stick with the 7-hour rule, if you want something more than a one-night stand.

I am having a very similar problem. I am having not much trouble getting one night stands. Just 2 nights ago i f-closed an HB 9 with a killer body (she's a ballet instructor ) in 3 hours. Only during the morning after did i notice the picture of her and her boyfriend on her table. This is a girl I would have loved to have seen a lot more of and believe I could have had i not f-closed so soon. Dont get me wrong, sex with an HB9 can be fantastic and is something i could only dream of before starting this.

The point is that we both have the same issue. After talking on the site's chat some advice i was given was to not, under any circumstances, f-close straight away. It may even be a DHV if I do take this advice. I am going to try doing everything but se next time and then tell the girl how i feel she is too interesting to let one night determine our relationship. I may even say this after the number close and after the many IOIs (the obvious lets go back to my place IOIs). This will obviously take some work but i think to get past one night stands and onto relationships this is worth it. You can always split the week's scores between relationship material and one night stand material!! I know this is a long reply but i think its a question which seems simple but which is very complicated. Hope this helps and if anyone disagrees with me please let me know and i'll try something you suggest. Thanks!

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You cannot f-close before kiss. Always push to the limit because she'll let you know if she doesn't want it. I always try to have some kind of make out session within first hr of 1st meet up. Then I'll lead her to my place, etc..

K-Close as soon as you can. That'll lock you in more, since she has invested more emotionally. A kiss is a very special form of kino, use it well.

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