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Been w my girl over 9 months now. She's expressed on a few occasions how she believes it's the guy's task to pay for every meal. I'm a student finishing up graduate work and as such do not have a lot of $. Moreover, even if I did I'm not sure I agree with this 'frame'. when I asked her why she feels this way she says it makes her feel "special" and she very adamantly stated that her GFs think it "not cool" that I don't do this. She had also stated that she feels that I make little effort to "impress" her. We've been together several months, its not as though we'd just met. I do a lot of things for her such as cook for her, help her run errands, provide emotional support etc. I get that may this is more to do with romantic gestures, but I've tried doing other things yet this issue keeps coming up. She tells me her ex BFs have done this (payed for all of her meals), which lends me to believe that they had to buy her love (due to their insecurities) and that she just grew accustomed to this sort of behavior. Quite honestly I'm not sure if our differing views are reconcilable. When I had suggested that perhaps I'm the wrong 'type' of guy for her and that she find somebody more sugar-daddy like who is willing to do all this and that I was prepared to break things with her, she balked and instead suggested we put this convo to the side and continue with our night together in her place.

To me it feels like self-entitlement, and very princessy. Curious to hear another perspective.


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Her love language is gift giving.... Thats cool, but it sounds like you arent compatible.

One of the most important aspects when looking for a LTR is sticking to what you are looking for. Make a list of the things that qualify a woman as a LTR. Not as a sexual partner but a LTR. I personally dont mind buying my LTRs dinner. It feels manly to me but I never spent money on women I didnt think fit my mold. Im also not broke.

As far as this one, move on, the fact that shes doesnt respect you speaks volumes!

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Although I am generally against threatening to end the relationship as a means of exerting control, I think you were in the right here. You decide what you pay, not her, and you made this clear. However, I notice that you did not ask where her desire (i.e. that you pay for meals) stems from. Instead, you ask here. I could give you a general answer referring to the theory that women have evolved a desire for protectors and providers and to the innate emotional need to be respected by ones peers, but that wouldn't help you solve this problem. Ask her what is so important about you paying for her meals? Is she broke? Is she afraid to lose face to her friends? Is it a power thing? If asked so straightforwardly, I'm sure she'll have no problem getting accustomed to the way you handle your finances.

As for the 'impress me' sentiment, I think that is the result of a development that inevitably occurs in any relationship: the novelty has worn off. She has grown accustomed to the activities that you undertake for her, and desires something new. There are generally two ways to remedy this problem: 1) take away or deny her a thing that she has become accustomed to, or 2) do something new for her. Only a combination of these two leads to a healthy and stable relationship. I'm sure that you are acquainted with the former, since this is a dominant and well-discussed trait of the typical 'alpha male'. I will only add that this should concern small things that will not give rise to a fight, and that you can refuse for a legitimate reason, e.g. running an errand. Examples of the latter are really all the things that these forums teach you NOT to do: give her some flowers, take her out for diner (doubly appropriate here, since this is an apparently important issue), cancel some plans with friends to be with her, etc. Don't repeat yourself too much in this department, because the point is not to create new expectations, but to exceed current. By appropriately balancing the things that you give with the things that you take away, you keep the relationship fresh and exciting, but build toward forming a close bond with mutual respect at the same time.

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I would drop her. Sounds like emotional blackmail "My girlfriends don't think it's cool that I have to pay for myself." Ri-ight. Fuck her man, selfish woman. Very selfish. Cut her loose. Express what you expect of her and tell her where the door is.

Don't get me wrong, if it's a LTR and you really like the girl it's nice and romantic to bring her out for a meal and pay for it but that's like a once a month kind of thing if even. Don't feel like an AFC just because you bring her out for a romantic meal once in a while and pay for it, it's normal and A-OK to do that. If she wants you to pay for everything then just cut her loose, it's the wrong frame of mind for anyone and a fair indication someone will just take you for granted and use you for free shit.

Get the specifics out of the way. Does she want you to pay for everything or is she just looking for a nice meal once in a while?


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Her love language is gift giving.... Thats cool, but it sounds like you arent compatible.

One of the most important aspects when looking for a LTR is sticking to what you are looking for. Make a list of the things that qualify a woman as a LTR. Not as a sexual partner but a LTR. I personally dont mind buying my LTRs dinner. It feels manly to me but I never spent money on women I didnt think fit my mold. Im also not broke.

As far as this one, move on, the fact that shes doesnt respect you speaks volumes!
For me it's more about self-entitlement than anything else. She stated that "whe you're with a hot girl you SHOULD impress them," and that I never did anything such thing (and good for me for not taking the chode route). She certainly seems to have the frame what w/o $$ a guy shouldn't be in a relationship as she had made the comment about one of my friends who always seemed to have little $, but had a gf.

This is her frame, part of her scheme of relationships. I can't say its a total shock as I know at one point before she and I had dated she had a profile up on a sugar daddy dating site.

In addition I'm concerned about her lack of ambition in prepping for her personal training exam, meanwhile I'm in the process of completing a graduate level degree.


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I would drop her. Sounds like emotional blackmail "My girlfriends don't think it's cool that I have to pay for myself." Ri-ight. Fuck her man, selfish woman. Very selfish. Cut her loose. Express what you expect of her and tell her where the door is.

Don't get me wrong, if it's a LTR and you really like the girl it's nice and romantic to bring her out for a meal and pay for it but that's like a once a month kind of thing if even. Don't feel like an AFC just because you bring her out for a romantic meal once in a while and pay for it, it's normal and A-OK to do that. If she wants you to pay for everything then just cut her loose, it's the wrong frame of mind for anyone and a fair indication someone will just take you for granted and use you for free shit.

Get the specifics out of the way. Does she want you to pay for everything or is she just looking for a nice meal once in a while?
She expects to go for dinner on the reg, but stated doesn't expect me to take her on shopping sprees or vacations (although I'm sure she wouldn't protest).

She had asked long ago, however if I can pay for her $60 nail jobs...I said that's not my responsibility.


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Well, as you said, she's just used to having everything paid for. Just tell her you're not that kind of guy and if she isn't happy with that then it's her problem and she and her friends can go find her a new boyfriend that will bend over for her.

Seriously, you're not her little bank account. We've long come from the days of paying for shit for a girl in order to have sex. We're smarter not to fall for that classical conditioning crap. "Do good for woman, be treated with sex."


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Well, as you said, she's just used to having everything paid for. Just tell her you're not that kind of guy and if she isn't happy with that then it's her problem and she and her friends can go find her a new boyfriend that will bend over for her.

Seriously, you're not her little bank account. We've long come from the days of paying for shit for a girl in order to have sex. We're smarter not to fall for that classical conditioning crap. "Do good for woman, be treated with sex."
The irony is of the few GFs she has, none of them to my knowledge are in healthy relationships.


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Sounds like she's bored in the rs and not that attracted. She's saying that you alone are not enough for her and you need to do more for her to be content. She's holding on until something better comes along. And as GamesN said it's emotional blackmail to tell you that and is disrespectful.


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What's wrong with you man...

Couples therapy??? First of all: ONLY BEEN WITH HER FOR NINE MONTHS!

Secondly: Only been with her for nine months, why would you need couples therapy after such a short period???

Thirdly: What the fuck is wrong with you?! Couples Therapy for a nine month relationship??? Dude. Seriously. GTFO. You have bigger problems if you're seriously taking couples therapy for a nine month relationship.


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Sounds like she's bored in the rs and not that attracted. She's saying that you alone are not enough for her and you need to do more for her to be content. She's holding on until something better comes along. And as GamesN said it's emotional blackmail to tell you that and is disrespectful.
That's quite the inference. Can't say I agree as the two of us have recently begun couples therapy, although I'm not sure how committed the process she is (we're both paying out-of-pocket and investing time). When I did maintain that I choose to not be that kind of guy and that I'm cool with her leaving to find somebody more suitable, she insisted we drop the convo and go up to her place.

The last therapy session, however, begun w her stating that she wanted to end the relationship, however after the therapist framed our dynamic and a possible way through, together (through behavioral change) she then said she's open to working on it. I think at this point we're both hanging onto the rel by a thread - one foot out, one foot in, it's been a rough one, and at times downright terrible. Sure, life's too short, we obv have some attachment rel issues, and some love still keeping us hanging on, for what it's worth (and perhaps its better to simply cut the chord and move on).

We can analyze this every which way and still miss the mark as to what her motivation may be. And to be fair we've both endured a lot with this relationship - a relationship is supposed to add to one's life, not diminish or take away, we do add in some way but in many other ways it's been a massive struggle (and we're not even at a year into the rel).

3 months into the rel, I'd discovered she had an escort ad which she'd initially denied as being her. The short of it is I was ready to walk, but upon coming clean to me I had decided to still talk to her and see where things would go, provided that she was willing to completely forsake that lifestyle to which she insists she'd only been into for 2 months. A month or so later I'd discovered she also had an ad on a sugar daddy dating site. I share this because it does bode into the self-entitlement behavior I mentioned in this post. It took me months to begin to trust her again, and to this day I don't question her commitment to me, however her commitment to bettering the relationship remains somewhat uncertain to me, at least SPAM.

IUnfortunately she and I had been together nearly every day (and often evenings too) over the past 9+ months which clearly isn't healthy in any rel. We recognized this long ago and spoke about it but never really put much effort in implementing space. I believe we both struggle with attachment fears, but for me, particularly when we have a situation I tend to want to resolve matters in the moment, whereas she needs her space.

I'm going off a bit here. The point is the rel is not healthy, we, at least I am trying to have a healthy one (which begins with myself), but unfortunately I think this girl lacks the level of self-awareness that I possess and I know I can't shoulder the weight of the rel as I felt I've done in the past.


The entitlement beliefs she has are only adding to the weight of the relationship difficulties we're already having. I think quite honestly both her and I are exhausted, yet we're holding on....if by only a thread. The recurrence of her gripe a few days ago (during an argument) about me taking her to cheap little places and not taking her out and paying for meals at fancy places more often (I do take her to a nice restaurant 1-2x a month) felt pretty much unbearable as heavy as our relationship issues have been without this.

Yea, I do realize it's a choice. I don't really care if people here think she's up to no good, I know that she's not so I won't get sucked into that debate. I do feel disrespected in some ways by her behavior, and regardless I am taking the initiative to work on myself whether she's involved in the process or not.


Bottom line: with or without her I need to start taking better care of myself, putting myself as the priority rather than allowing the rel to monopolize my energies and constantly trying to determine where she's at in her process.

Not a big inference; she said she thinks you should do more. Hence she isn't content with you as you are. That's logical reasoning. Only inference is that she is holding on. If she keeps mentioning it she would rather someone who would do those things.

Sounds like a stressful rs and as GamesN said above, wow. If things need counseling in the first 9 months doesn't look good for the future.


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I'm just going to say, after marrying a girl with similar ideals. You need to bail now. It will one day turn from dinner to some designer purse, to a new German car, to a mini-mansion to... ext. You can't be with someone who needs things to be happy. Because no matter what anyone says. Things will never keep you happy. And one day, she'll have to deal with the fact that she really isn't happy with you, and the stuff is just piling up, and she wants someone new instead of something new.

You really need to end this now before you waist anymore time or money on this girl.


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Sounds like she's bored in the rs and not that attracted. She's saying that you alone are not enough for her and you need to do more for her to be content. She's holding on until something better comes along. And as GamesN said it's emotional blackmail to tell you that and is disrespectful.
That's quite the inference. Can't say I agree as the two of us have recently begun couples therapy, although I'm not sure how committed the process she is (we're both paying out-of-pocket and investing time). When I did maintain that I choose to not be that kind of guy and that I'm cool with her leaving to find somebody more suitable, she insisted we drop the convo and go up to her place.

The last therapy session, however, begun w her stating that she wanted to end the relationship, however after the therapist framed our dynamic and a possible way through, together (through behavioral change) she then said she's open to working on it. I think at this point we're both hanging onto the rel by a thread - one foot out, one foot in, it's been a rough one, and at times downright terrible. Sure, life's too short, we obv have some attachment rel issues, and some love still keeping us hanging on, for what it's worth (and perhaps its better to simply cut the chord and move on).

We can analyze this every which way and still miss the mark as to what her motivation may be. And to be fair we've both endured a lot with this relationship - a relationship is supposed to add to one's life, not diminish or take away, we do add in some way but in many other ways it's been a massive struggle (and we're not even at a year into the rel).

3 months into the rel, I'd discovered she had an escort ad which she'd initially denied as being her. The short of it is I was ready to walk, but upon coming clean to me I had decided to still talk to her and see where things would go, provided that she was willing to completely forsake that lifestyle to which she insists she'd only been into for 2 months. A month or so later I'd discovered she also had an ad on a sugar daddy dating site. I share this because it does bode into the self-entitlement behavior I mentioned in this post. It took me months to begin to trust her again, and to this day I don't question her commitment to me, however her commitment to bettering the relationship remains somewhat uncertain to me, at least SPAM.

IUnfortunately she and I had been together nearly every day (and often evenings too) over the past 9+ months which clearly isn't healthy in any rel. We recognized this long ago and spoke about it but never really put much effort in implementing space. I believe we both struggle with attachment fears, but for me, particularly when we have a situation I tend to want to resolve matters in the moment, whereas she needs her space.

I'm going off a bit here. The point is the rel is not healthy, we, at least I am trying to have a healthy one (which begins with myself), but unfortunately I think this girl lacks the level of self-awareness that I possess and I know I can't shoulder the weight of the rel as I felt I've done in the past.


The entitlement beliefs she has are only adding to the weight of the relationship difficulties we're already having. I think quite honestly both her and I are exhausted, yet we're holding on....if by only a thread. The recurrence of her gripe a few days ago (during an argument) about me taking her to cheap little places and not taking her out and paying for meals at fancy places more often (I do take her to a nice restaurant 1-2x a month) felt pretty much unbearable as heavy as our relationship issues have been without this.

Yea, I do realize it's a choice. I don't really care if people here think she's up to no good, I know that she's not so I won't get sucked into that debate. I do feel disrespected in some ways by her behavior, and regardless I am taking the initiative to work on myself whether she's involved in the process or not.


Bottom line: with or without her I need to start taking better care of myself, putting myself as the priority rather than allowing the rel to monopolize my energies and constantly trying to determine where she's at in her process.

Not a big inference; she said she thinks you should do more. Hence she isn't content with you as you are. That's logical reasoning. Only inference is that she is holding on. If she keeps mentioning it she would rather someone who would do those things.

Sounds like a stressful rs and as GamesN said above, wow. If things need counseling in the first 9 months doesn't look good for the future.
I respect your opinions, and in no means am saying they're wrong. But. There is a lot lf misconception re therapy, and couples therapy in particular. My background, knowledge set, and desire to remain anonymous preclude me from discussing any more. I do understand that your opinions do represent popular opinion, but I do not subscribe to them in any way whatsoever.


Couples therapy, no matter the time can provide an excellent opp to do self work as often a lot of the issues we carry don't manifest until we agent involved intimately with another. That said I do not suggest intentionally seeking out bad relationships, that would defeat my point entirely- in fact nobody, free of any organic defect would do such a thing, at least knowingly. We perpetuate cycles we learned through childhood, namely attachment styles we ve had w our primary caregivers. I'm using this opp to at least dog own work to affect change in myself and if she's able (and willing) to do the same there can be a potentially very rewarding rel for us. If not, at least I've gained further insight into my own being, and can learn to deal w any remnant issues I have that will likely only manifest in future relationships.


"9 months and you're seeking couples therapy??!" Is a bit myopic and funny to me because it demonstrates a tremendous amount of ignorance about the field and what it offers in terms of personal growth.


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