What time of game is needed to find a girl for Long term commitment and possibly marriage?
I heard a lot of decent PUAs with good game say that "the good girls" don't take em seriously when they start to demand a relationship. As if the long term material girls can sense the "dirty player vibe" from you.

Im a pretty aggressive pick up artist, meaning I follow RSD and Mystery Method tactics pretty seriously in field, where its really tactical manipulation. And I'm presently looking for a girlfriend and long term commitment, I know I gave girls player vibes before but now I'm ready to find a "young hottie" and sweep her into a long term commitment with me.

What game do I need to run to avoid potentially throwing girls off?

The thing is I'm 29 years old now and I've been 4 years into the game.. Unfortunately I still never had a serious committed relationship besides being successful in many other areas in my life.

I used to admire and look up to guys like Tyler and Mystery and do anything to get girls into bed.. but now I'm realizing that if you want to find love you need to change your game a bit.. you can't be a manipulative guy and hoping to find love with your perfect girl.

What do you guys think about this?

We need more info to diagnose your problem. How many women have you slept with in the last two years? How did you meet those women? Were they freaks, ho's or good girls (just guess if you are unsure)? Were they all one night stands? If not, how long did they stick around after you slept with them?

Some more misc questions:

Did you ever let them spend the night?
Did you let them hang out with your friends?
How would you rate your bedroom skills (was the sex good with these women)?
What's your living situation?

Okay, that should be a good start. Personally, I've never really had a problem stumbling into serious relationships.

-Wolf

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I slept with around 12 women in the last 2 years

I met them .. during daygame, nightgame and online

Most were good girls, some where freaks/1 night stands.. I dont date freaks only good girls, which I meet during the day.

Sex skills = pornstar
Yeah I let them sleep over
I dont really have close friends, just business partners
Living conditions = single bachelor , middle class entrepreneur

Hope this helps!

I am going to give you my own testimonial and I'll let you take it for what it is. (probably crap).

I got into PUA after my divorce at the end of 2010. Since then I've slept with roughly 25 women. Of that time Ive spent the last year and a half with three women and a few flings. I think within the first year of PUA, I slept with 17 or 18 girls. It got old really fast after that. I became self destructive. I actually found myself hating who I'd become. I was the guy that gave women complexes and trust issues. I broke them for my own gratification. I was the player that women hate themselves for letting through their gates.

So, one night over drinks with my ex-roommates sister, I had a revelation. I spilled the beans to her about my week prior. I'd just slept with a girl who was engaged. Then I took her sister to a concert the next night, where I had sex with her in the back seat of my friends truck. I did this on our way home while my two friends sat up front and watched. Then I slept with a girl who's husband had just committed suicide a few months prior, just to not take her calls the next day. I was a serious piece of shit at this point in my life.

Since that night I've made a lot of changes in my life. I actually ended up in a serious relation ship with my ex-roommates sister. We dated for about 7 months before she moved away. I spent the first 30 days of our relationship completely celibate. After she and I broke up, I vowed to myself I wouldn't fall back into the same trap of using women for sex. I spent three months without dating, having sex or even worrying about women. Then relationship number two happened. It was a case of wrong timing. She and I split up because she was moving 2000 miles away for grad school. So that get's us to this year. I gave a few girls a chance. I got cheated on once, figured out I was wasting my time and had some loose interest in me.

What I've figured out is that PUA has given me the tools to attract. But I had to weed through those techniques to find the ones that help and the ones that hurt. It can be hard to do. I still struggle with it to this day. One thing I figured out about the PUA techniques (for the most part) is that they usually only keep a girl on the hook for a few weeks before she catches on and bails. Attraction, seduction, push-pull, and then she see's through the games. That is the typical line of events. When it comes to getting into a relationship, you have to start off on a different foot. You can't be Mephistopheles. You have to be a little vulnerable. Most of all you have to be genuine and honest. A good relationship is built on trust. Without it, you have no foundation.

You can be cool and confident. You can be independent and in command. You can have that graceful element and tasteful complements. But you have to be real. That is the trouble with PUA tactics. You mold yourself into something you wouldn't be, as a natural guy. I don't know enough about you to give you more incite. All I can say is, for me, the tables turned the moment I started putting more energy into getting to know the girl rather than getting her clothes off. Things like listening to what she has to say. Being someone who isn't judgmental. Being calm and relaxed... That may be one of my biggest achievements. I don't think I've had a real fight or raised my voice at a girl in at least two years. When you start dating girls you respect and see a possible future with, you will see a change in the way you treat them. It's all about what your hunting for. You don't hunt elephants with a .22 and you don't hunt squirrels with a .50 cal. Both may wound or kill... but the desired effect isn't going to be the outcome.

I find its women's behavior that initiates this ruthless player mentality.
I mean the reason most of us got into this community is because something wasn't working!
After you start to look for vulnerabilities in the matrix.. the women call you untrustable and a player..
Offcruse I always feel like saying.. "Well I wasn't always a player.. I was a total chode afew years back".. but that won't make things any better.

The problem is.. its women who train you to lie... to play games.. to manipulate.. to "Play it smooth" from the feedback they give you...

To be honest the only card I didn't foresee when getting into this game is the one where women refuse to trust you and get serious with you.. Seems a bit tricky getting around this one!

Most pua techniques don't work form LTR but are rather based on exploitive methods to woo a girl into liking you. They are ego based techniques and you can't transition them into a healthy relationship if you felt upon them. I've never had any problem establishing LTR. I do struggle maintaining LTRs at times as my previous post indicates. All relationships take honest work, some more than others. The sooner you disband w the cheap parlor tricks designed to make you look less genuine and exploit her insecurities, the better off you and your relationships will be. The guys who ll say to the contrary are either in denial or have never had an LTR and are lieing about it.

You should run the same exact game. Fuck them early. Fuck them well. Let them do the work.
Eventually, if you have a decent chick, and have been fucking her properly for a while, and spending quality time with her beyond sex (i.e. sleepovers, road trips, movies, dinners, ...), she will start "The Talk" and that's where you LTR or next.

Your main weapon in this is setting up your relationship so that it can transition to the next step. If you call her at 10pm, bang her for a couple hours, and then send her home and don't call her for a week, congrats you got yourself a fuckbuddy. She might still think about LTR (*) but it's gonna be harder, because you never gave her anything to work with. OTOH, if you take her out to dinner (or cook one yourself if you know how), you call her to chat once in a while, ..., then she will naturally feel the transition to boyfriend, and will actually want an official seal on the two of you.

(*) I had a fuckbuddy who started giving hints of this transition - partially it was my fault because I had let myself be less strict about the rules: dinner before sex, sleepover; good sex is also emotionally strong for chicks, so eventually no matter how good you are at enforcing the fuckbuddy rules, she might still fall for you

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You'd need Delusional Fantasy Disney Game in order to believe that humans are capable of life-long sexual commitment.

That being said, I understand the desire for a serious girlfriend (I used to feel that way too).

Be a little more Providery, be willing to wait a little longer for sex, be willing to push through ASD and LMR, and be willing to do nice things for her. Then she'll want you as her boyfriend.

Oh, and stop banging other girls.

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