the I'm married is a shit test. if used basically to see if she can just bat you away that quickly. to that respond with cocky funny. long lines of oh really and how long have you had that problem. she will start thinking about all the problems caused her. she may throw another test at you just be ready with humor

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any man can sweep any woman off her feet. just need the right broom

she has told me her problems about her marriage, that is the mistake i made- is that i was sympathetic to her problems and i talked about it with her, when i thought that it was helping us to build on our connection between us by talking about them. I learned that if you understand a woman than you are a woman and it probably made me come accross as feminine to her and it turned her off. I think i need to avoid getting pulled into her negative stories and cut them off. But even now, she is like very vague about her marriage, she doesent go into detail about it and wants me to think that its all roses and going well. But i know that if you read the same story again it has the same ending and so she cant fool me. I need to find a way to break through this front that she is putting up to me about her marriage.
Its helpful to listen to cd's about seduction, but sometimes you really need to think on your feet and i need help from the people of this forum to do that if im going to get her.

so guys what do i do next? it seems like she is trying to kill the mood by not replying and by doing that turning it into the same old boring talks we have.

Crawl outta her ass and GO OUTSIDE! Say Hi to some OTHER girl, you never know what might develop.

I challenge you to talk to at LEAST 3 other women THIS weekend!

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

Well i first tried the shopping mall. My first approach was really shaky and unsure, i said to this girl that i noticed her walking by and that i thought she was cute and she told me to ''F off''. I couldnt have timed it worse because i turned around and her mother was right behind me so i quickly dashed away.
I tried about three other women in the shopping mall with the same approach ''hi there, im going to talk to you for a while. You're kinda cute'' but they just smiled and walked away.
Then when i was at the park with my dog, this woman kept smiling and looking at me - so i approached her and was just direct and said ''you know there is something really different about you.'' She seemed intrigued and asked why and i said ''im sorry, i have to go now, my dogs getting impatient - give me your number and we can talk later'' and she then asked for mine too. I wasnt really interested in contacting her, but she has rang me a couple of times. Mainly i dont know how to follow up, what is different about her? - i just made it up.

I gotta say, WOW! GOOD JOB BRO!
Did you answer?

So your 1st 4 approaches you got shot down in flames. But each one made you a little braver.

By the 5th one you really didn't give a fuck, you weren't dependent on the outcome.
You don't have to stick to the same topic, but you can follow through with the same, just say she has a 'uniqueness' to her that impressed you.

You get a gold star today Bro!!

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Thank you. Yes after the embarassing first attempt it woke me up a bit.Yes i spoke to her and she brought up the subject about what is different about her and i said ''im not quite sure exactly what is different but there is something unique'' we spoke for about five minutes and our conversation mainly was about my dog and her dog, i made up an excuse so the discussion wouldnt become boring and i said that i will talk to her ''soon.'' Thanks for suggesting to me to approach other women.
I mainly want to try to get some passions and fire still out of the other girl i have been talking about. I think next im going to send her a message like ''hey, wild thing''......something like that - make her think that she is sexual. Is that ok? Any other advice or suggestions? I just have to do something that will push her sexual buttons. It is a side of her that i just have to bring out. Thats what really gets my excitement going. Even today approaching women, it doesent get my adrenalin going as much as the thought of hitting this girls sexual buttons and desires. She is so wooden, she wont give up anything lately that makes her sound like fun and so i have to do it.

A. Stop obsessing.
B. Do not initiate contact until she does.
C. Have sex with dog girl.
D. Pick up Kleenex, and clean your bang pad.

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thats game over for me then if i wait around for her to initiate contact because i know that she will not initiate contact, she hardly ever does. I feel that for me to bring out this side to her that i need to force it out of her and come on strong. What do you think?

still guys,i still wont be satisfied until i get a rise out of this girl. I mean i have invested three years in her. Not all of it speaking to her, but just like her beeing in my head and in my mind. Im not obsessed with her, she is just my side project. I need to bring out this woman that i want her to be and fantasize about. She isnt going to initiate contact i dont think. I know that she likes me though, i can tell by her tones how she talks to me when we are on the phone. I briefly saw her online today but i didnt speak to her. Part of me is thinking that she came online to see what passionate and exciting thing i will say next to her. I know her really, i know that she has absolutely no hobbies, no personality, other than beeing an office employee, a mother and a wife. Thats really all there is to her. She is pretty boring really and difficult to talk to. But i know that i can bring out an exciting and sexual side to her- i just need to do it confidently and to hit the right buttons- but i need some direction from this forum because im not used to it.
I have a couple of suggestions first..... send her an email, taking it temporarily off the sexual topic, saying ''write me a message, anything. I like to read your messages back to myself in your accent, in your calming and friendly tones.'' something like that.
Or send her another email, making up some bullshit like ''hi. im having difficulty deciding what shirt to wear to a meeting at work today. Will my black jumper look better with a white shirt or a light blue shirt?''
Anyway these are a couple of ideas. Are they ok? Any suggestions on what i should do?

i havent heard from this girl all week. i put her number back into my phone book and decided to just send her a text last night ''hi insert name. you wild thing.'' Then i looked her up on SPAM and learned that she uses it, which i find annoying since she lied to me that she didnt have it not so long ago.
Its a shame really, i was reading back through our earlier messages when we got back in contact over a couple of years ago, we were really excited to see eachother. We lost contact for about nine months after we came back from holiday and in between that time i had came out of a real chaotic relationship. The first thing she asked me when we got back in contact was if i had a girlfriend, and so it seemed she was interested in me at some level. I think that coming out of such a chaotic relationship and just feeling a sense of urgency and desperation to not lose contact with her again i think maybe that is where i came across as too needy and over anxious and serious to progress things and i think it may have scared her off. I promised myself though in between the time that i didnt talk to her that if i would ever get talk to her again that i would lay it all out on the table right away and tell her how i really feel about her.

So that you would not stalk her there. If you like someone, tell them. Or just stalk them on every social network and cry yourself to sleep every night. It's whatever.
Nothing says I love you like a restraining order. I think once you get past the restraining orders and the court dates and the stalking charges, you can really make this relationship work.

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im going to delete her. its not getting me anywhere really but more frustrated. i thought you were all meant to be pick up artists here and could help people no matter the situation. I think i will get a reaction out of her if i delete her. I think she just kept contact with me all this time, because she wanted a holiday to england out of me and i was a free accomodation for her and her kid to shack up, i think that is why she has strung me along all this time. Its really frustrating when i think that this was a possible reason. Anyway this isnt fun for me anymore when it comes to her, i wanted instant gratification, her to send me some pictures in her g-string, her to tell me some of the dirty thoughts in her mind.....i have just done a whole lot of waiting around. When it isnt fun it isnt worth it.
Its frustrating when you want to try to get some fire and excitement out of someone, and they just dont respond and suck all the excitement and try to shut down your energy until you are forced to do things on their terms and waste your time talking about all this platonic bullshit.

TA DA!

To quote Hunter_foxe She was just using you to bloat her own ego Pal, good to see you are going to drop that bad habit.

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