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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:44 am 
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Swimming is generally awesome for cardio and tone.

This is a pretty cool workout program: http://www.hundredpushups.com/


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For lifting weights a lot depends on your body type. If you've a naturally small and scrawny frame you're going to stay small and scrawny. You might be stronger but it's not going to show as much as a naturally heavy frame would. Hate to break it to you guys who have small frames but you're mostly shit out of luck so don't fool yourselves into thinking you'll be massively bulked up and looking like you're on steroids. You can get the six pack, etc. with cardio, proper training and proper diet and that's the only thing that will get you a six pack. If you want massive arms and legs and more pronounced shoulders you can do that, sure but you'll still be bulky if you don't do the cardio or you'll still be scrawny if you don't/can't bulk up.

I mean, it's not rocket science. Has anyone ever had a personal trainer? When has a personal trainer ever told someone to keep to weights and only weights? Never! They always insist on cardio, weights, proper diets and yoga or some other form of fitness routine. I'd listen to a professional trainer any day but hey, that's just me.

Swimming is probably the best way to keep fit. It exercises all of your muscles and is great for cardio. Do swimming(proper swinning!! Not lazing about the pool for an hour and doing one or two laps every five minutes!) and you'll notice immediate improvements in your physique.

Also, yeah, exercise can make you happier and that will have an effect on you but the whole body type thing is down to social expectations and social theory. We're attracted to what we as a group perceive to be attractive. At different times in history there's been different types of physique that have been highly sought after. Until recently the more attractive body was that of a chubby or slightly obese woman, it's just movies would have you believe otherwise. In Roman society being big was a sign of social value. If you were skinny it was unattractive, you were as worthy as a slave. Hell, even back to the 1950s, 60 years ago, women and men weren't skinny, they were somewhat chubby with a bit of meat on them. That was attractive back then! It's only recently that society is telling us that Skinny is Sexy. Even more recently we're being told that Ripped is Sexy!! Physical attractiveness(Fitness at least) is all down to what social standards dictate as being attractive and sexy yet the reality is people are just slaves to social perception. It's completely superficial. The real attraction is to the alpha and in appearances the alpha will appear as the socially chosen attractive guy. That's the first hook: Looking alpha. If you are alpha but don't look it in physique but are in every other aspect you're going to swoon a woman 9/10 if your game is tight.

To give a more recent account of attraction I will pose this question to you: Why is it that, as a group, female rockers tend to be more attracted to men with long hair as opposed to other groupings(trendy, jocks, geeks, nerds)? It's the perception of what is attractive to the group these women are part of that dictates what they find immediately attractive. On the flip side you will find trendy or jockish type women more attracted to neat cut men. It's all there and it's basically what PUA will teach you: You can be whatever as long as you're not below average looking once you can talk and act in an alpha and uncaring manner or being aloof but having your shit together.

Don't put so much importance on fitness unless it's for you and not just for women. Keep in mind fitness is a lifestyle, if you stop working out you'll lose all your hard earned gains in just a month or two. Yes, you won't get to that shape and keep it, you'll have to stay with it for the rest of your life or start from scratch. Best way to maintain a physique is to eat healthily and do light weights/cardio or just be an active person in general!!

Actually, most personal trainers are against cardio. They push more core works outs and strength training.

Muscle= Metabolism.

The more muscle you have, the faster your metabolism is, the more calories your body burns. The only way to build muscle is resistance training and increasing the weight as you get stronger so you continue to build muscle. Once you have the muscle, its easier to keep the fat off.

Cardio burns 3 things... fat, muscle, and water. 2 of them you need, 1 of them you don't. The only thing is, just doing cardio, you don't know which one you are burning off. Excessive cardio and little to light strength training will just leave you burning off all of your muscle and as I said before... You will look like a "skinny fat guy." Meaning no size to your chest, shoulders, and back, tiny ass arms, no legs, a terrible case of Noassatall, and a gut.

And as far as you saying someone with a "skinny frame" can't pack on a shit ton of muscle.... here's proof that you are dead wrong. Stop telling people that they can't do shit when you have no idea what is possible.This is a pic of a buddy of mine from highschool. His before and after... Granted, it took him about 5-6 years to reach his current size. But as long as you keep at it, you can achieve the results you want. He was skinny as fuck his senior year. He was about 150 pounds standing at 6 ft tall. He's now 230.

The guy in the middle is him right after highschool

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The guy with his shirt off in the middle is him now

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You know what type of lifts he does? Heavy Olympic style lifting. Squats, dead lifts, cleans, bench press... You know how much cardio he does? NONE.

The only real benefit from cardio is it does help you have a healthier heart. But if you do super sets or circuit training, you can get your heart rate going just as fast and steady and not do cardio.

I'll say it again... If you want to look good with your shirt off and honestly to be able to fill out a shirt the right way... Lift heavy. Eat big (clean but eat alot. Nutrient timing is also important). Drink lots of water. Get lots of sleep. Take a multivitamin and fish oil...

Oh, and eat cottage cheese before you go to bed :)


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There are a few personal trainers who are against cardio, but they are certainly in the vast minority.


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For lifting weights a lot depends on your body type. If you've a naturally small and scrawny frame you're going to stay small and scrawny. You might be stronger but it's not going to show as much as a naturally heavy frame would. Hate to break it to you guys who have small frames but you're mostly shit out of luck so don't fool yourselves into thinking you'll be massively bulked up and looking like you're on steroids. You can get the six pack, etc. with cardio, proper training and proper diet and that's the only thing that will get you a six pack. If you want massive arms and legs and more pronounced shoulders you can do that, sure but you'll still be bulky if you don't do the cardio or you'll still be scrawny if you don't/can't bulk up.

I mean, it's not rocket science. Has anyone ever had a personal trainer? When has a personal trainer ever told someone to keep to weights and only weights? Never! They always insist on cardio, weights, proper diets and yoga or some other form of fitness routine. I'd listen to a professional trainer any day but hey, that's just me.

Swimming is probably the best way to keep fit. It exercises all of your muscles and is great for cardio. Do swimming(proper swinning!! Not lazing about the pool for an hour and doing one or two laps every five minutes!) and you'll notice immediate improvements in your physique.


Also, yeah, exercise can make you happier and that will have an effect on you but the whole body type thing is down to social expectations and social theory. We're attracted to what we as a group perceive to be attractive. At different times in history there's been different types of physique that have been highly sought after. Until recently the more attractive body was that of a chubby or slightly obese woman, it's just movies would have you believe otherwise. In Roman society being big was a sign of social value. If you were skinny it was unattractive, you were as worthy as a slave. Hell, even back to the 1950s, 60 years ago, women and men weren't skinny, they were somewhat chubby with a bit of meat on them. That was attractive back then! It's only recently that society is telling us that Skinny is Sexy. Even more recently we're being told that Ripped is Sexy!! Physical attractiveness(Fitness at least) is all down to what social standards dictate as being attractive and sexy yet the reality is people are just slaves to social perception. It's completely superficial. The real attraction is to the alpha and in appearances the alpha will appear as the socially chosen attractive guy. That's the first hook: Looking alpha. If you are alpha but don't look it in physique but are in every other aspect you're going to swoon a woman 9/10 if your game is tight.

To give a more recent account of attraction I will pose this question to you: Why is it that, as a group, female rockers tend to be more attracted to men with long hair as opposed to other groupings(trendy, jocks, geeks, nerds)? It's the perception of what is attractive to the group these women are part of that dictates what they find immediately attractive. On the flip side you will find trendy or jockish type women more attracted to neat cut men. It's all there and it's basically what PUA will teach you: You can be whatever as long as you're not below average looking once you can talk and act in an alpha and uncaring manner or being aloof but having your shit together.

Don't put so much importance on fitness unless it's for you and not just for women. Keep in mind fitness is a lifestyle, if you stop working out you'll lose all your hard earned gains in just a month or two. Yes, you won't get to that shape and keep it, you'll have to stay with it for the rest of your life or start from scratch. Best way to maintain a physique is to eat healthily and do light weights/cardio or just be an active person in general!!

Actually, most personal trainers are against cardio. They push more core works outs and strength training.

Muscle= Metabolism.

The more muscle you have, the faster your metabolism is, the more calories your body burns. The only way to build muscle is resistance training and increasing the weight as you get stronger so you continue to build muscle. Once you have the muscle, its easier to keep the fat off.

Cardio burns 3 things... fat, muscle, and water. 2 of them you need, 1 of them you don't. The only thing is, just doing cardio, you don't know which one you are burning off. Excessive cardio and little to light strength training will just leave you burning off all of your muscle and as I said before... You will look like a "skinny fat guy." Meaning no size to your chest, shoulders, and back, tiny ass arms, no legs, a terrible case of Noassatall, and a gut.

And as far as you saying someone with a "skinny frame" can't pack on a shit ton of muscle.... here's proof that you are dead wrong. Stop telling people that they can't do shit when you have no idea what is possible.This is a pic of a buddy of mine from highschool. His before and after... Granted, it took him about 5-6 years to reach his current size. But as long as you keep at it, you can achieve the results you want. He was skinny as fuck his senior year. He was about 150 pounds standing at 6 ft tall. He's now 230.

The guy in the middle is him right after highschool

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The guy with his shirt off in the middle is him now

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You know what type of lifts he does? Heavy Olympic style lifting. Squats, dead lifts, cleans, bench press... You know how much cardio he does? NONE.

The only real benefit from cardio is it does help you have a healthier heart. But if you do super sets or circuit training, you can get your heart rate going just as fast and steady and not do cardio.

I'll say it again... If you want to look good with your shirt off and honestly to be able to fill out a shirt the right way... Lift heavy. Eat big (clean but eat alot. Nutrient timing is also important). Drink lots of water. Get lots of sleep. Take a multivitamin and fish oil...

Oh, and eat cottage cheese before you go to bed :)
True, I've read about that. The more muscle you have then the more nutrients your body needs to maintain them. Which means faster metabolism.

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(1) Now suddenly you are going from p90x to lifting in the 8-12 range. I agree w/you that 8-12 is a good range (though I personally prefer 4-6) but that is still in the "heavy lifting" range and is NOTHING like p90x or most bodyweight exercises or 8-20 rep range you talked about before. Plus, you can talk about your transformation all you want but were trying to lose fat it seems which is totally different than gaining muscle which is what I am talking about. Most guys think all they need to do is lose fat to look ripped, but usually they have to gain much more muscle. I had no fat back in the day; i was also 130lbs at 5'8". Now I'm about 175lbs w/10% bf or so. I'm not huge, but I also don't want to be; however, if I did only bodyweight exercises etc. I would not even get to where I am. I know because I swam and did body weight stuff for a long time and it got me to 130lbs!

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To lose fat you do not need cardio you have to be at a caloric deficit from your maintenance, let me illustrate:

someone maintenance 3000 calories

He does swimming/cardio and burns 1000 calories

But eats 3000 calories, he will never lose weight.


^same scenario does not do cardio but eats 2000 calories not swimming, no cardio...

Will lose weight/fat...

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He looks like a shark.

(Just kidding.) I didn't know cardio burnt muscle. Interesting info.

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To lose fat you do not need cardio you have to be at a caloric deficit from your maintenance, let me illustrate:

someone maintenance 3000 calories

He does swimming/cardio and burns 1000 calories

But eats 3000 calories, he will never lose weight.


^same scenario does not do cardio but eats 2000 calories not swimming, no cardio...

Will lose weight/fat...

This is correct. It's calories in vs. calories out. If you want to lose weight, you need to burn off more than you take in. If you want to gain weight, you need to take in more than you can burn off. However, just cutting your calories and not training your muscles... you will lose the muscle. Your body will eat away at it for energy due to the calorie deficit.

There is a huge different between losing fat and losing weight... Someone can lose weight with a chainsaw and a quick slice to the left leg. Losing fat is different. Your body burns fat during exercise... but you also burn muscle and water... guys who spend TOO LONG in the gym end up putting their body into a catabolic state (where they have actually past the point of burning fat because their body is now depleted of nutrients) and their work out winds up being counter productive towards their goal. This is why heavy lifting is perfect... You activate the muscles, exhaust them as quick as possible, and you get the fuck out of the gym. Muscle doesn't grow in the gym.... It grows in your sleep.

Like I said, muscle= metabolism.

Each pound of muscle that you gain will burn off an extra 50 calories at rest/ day

So say someone is new to weight lifting... They can quickly gain 10 pounds of lean muscle. That 10 pounds X 50 calories a day is 500 calories/ day. Multiply that by 7... That's 3500 calories EXTRA burnt off/ week. Do you know how many calories are in a pound? 3500. As long as your protein intake remains high (so your body doesn't eat off the muscle) you can lose a pound of fat each week just from sleeping! Keep your protein intake high and your body will go for fat as stored energy instead of eating away at your muscle.

The best part about gaining a ton of lean mass is not only will you look alot better than the dude who spends an hour a day on the treadmill (or whatever type of cardio) and bitches that he can't see any more changes in his body (meaning the skinny fat guy. your body plateaus after a while... you also need to keep changing your work outs.) ... you can also EAT MORE and not gain fat as long as you keep at it.

Anywho, my rant is done here. My final statement is this.... It's your body, do what you want.


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I say we all post pictures of our shirts off and mention whether we lift light or heavy to come to a conclusion.


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The guy in the middle is him right after highschool

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The guy with his shirt off in the middle is him now

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You know what type of lifts he does? Heavy Olympic style lifting. Squats, dead lifts, cleans, bench press... You know how much cardio he does? NONE.
He doesn't look like he has the body you'd take a shirt off in. He's still got moobs and I doubt he has a six pack. He's just got arms and legs. His shoulders don't look pronounced and neither do his arms. I'm sure if he flexed his arms would look especially muscular but on the dance floor you're not going to be flexing all the time.

His body type or physique is vastly different to what a lot of people would consider topless physique. If he fit a bit of cardio into his routine he would have a much more pronounced and toned body but he doesn't, unless that's a really bad picture. Topless and being proud of it to me would be six pack, toned muscles and wide and pronounced shoulders, otherwise you're just a chubby guy with big guns on the dance floor.

It's down to what your perception is but given what we know -- that being the vast majority of women don't like massive, bulky heavy weights -- i'd say it's safe to assume that the body type for dance floor is more evenly distributed, nominal BMI, toned and muscular arms and legs and a nice V with a six pack.


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What I will say is the following, as Majik also emphasized: you need a lot more muscle than you think to look good shirtless even if you want the "lean" look. How you get there is up to you. I think (know) lifting heavy (12 rep range MAX) is the most efficient way to do so, but get there how you wish; just don't think all you need to do is "cut" if you weigh 150lbs at 5'9" to look good shirtless.

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Don't put so much importance on fitness unless it's for you and not just for women. Yes, you won't get to that shape and keep it, you'll have to stay with it for the rest of your life or start from scratch. Best way to maintain a physique is to eat healthily and do light weights/cardio or just be an active person in general!!
^this

Everyone is missing the point... The OP was talking about the benefits of exercise on overall life and therefore attraction with women and you all boiled it all down to the same boring, short sighted weight lifting argument.

I made a promise to myself when I was 21 to exercise...Im glad I did. I turned 35 last week and the benefits are clear. When I was young I tried all these heavy over training exercising programs. I worked at gyms, health food store in college, worked out with professionals, hell, my best friend was the largest steriod dealer in the state. Yes, the one you heard about on the news when he got busted. I got big for an ectomorph but not big, big. Later I turned my life over to just overall health and fitness. For health and attraction this is the answer. I know lots of women that love the fit man but not the muscle dude type. And I work out for me...not pussy.

Honestly, I think the pinnacle of health comes down to the foods you put in your body. An often over looks aspect by weightlifters. I eat mostly nutrient dense foods. Tons of veggies, fruits, and real proteins I buy from a rancher. (at an extreme cost) Anything processed is suspect to me. Please drop the calorie in vs calorie out argument you sound uneducated.

Second, any one that says cardio isnt needed is a FUCKING RETARD, period. Heart health, clearing toxins, and endurance are very valuable assets. The strongest cardiovascularly speaking Ive even been I could run 8 miles around Wash Park in Denver. I was a fuck machine! I didnt tire. My hips didnt tire. I could fuck for hours and only break a clean sweat. That sounds attractive to me! These are overall healthy things....not the superficial looks based ideas.
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And as far as you saying someone with a "skinny frame" can't pack on a shit ton of muscle.... here's proof that you are dead wrong. Stop telling people that they can't do shit when you have no idea what is possible.This is a pic of a buddy of mine from highschool. His before and after... Granted, it took him about 5-6 years to reach his current size. But as long as you keep at it, you can achieve the results you want. He was skinny as fuck his senior year. He was about 150 pounds standing at 6 ft tall. He's now 230.

The guy in the middle is him right after highschool

Image

The guy with his shirt off in the middle is him now

Image

You know what type of lifts he does? Heavy Olympic style lifting. Squats, dead lifts, cleans, bench press... You know how much cardio he does? NONE.

The only real benefit from cardio is it does help you have a healthier heart. But if you do super sets or circuit training, you can get your heart rate going just as fast and steady and not do cardio.

I'll say it again... If you want to look good with your shirt off and honestly to be able to fill out a shirt the right way... Lift heavy. Eat big (clean but eat alot. Nutrient timing is also important). Drink lots of water. Get lots of sleep. Take a multivitamin and fish oil...
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I take a huge exception to this and shows a lack of under standing human physiology or genetics. First off youre comparing an adolescent to an adult. Of course a kid is going to weigh less in HS. Myself and almost all my friends weight more now. The kid in the photo clearly isnt a skinny kid. He has chubby cheeks and a chin. Hes not an ectomorph. No way! His body type is suppose to get big when he works out and eats alot.
There is absolutely nothing impressive in those photos...nothing!

If we are all bringing up some guy we know... I had a college buddy. All state wrestling champ all state in football. Got a full ride foot ball scholarship to Oregon. Not exactly a shitty program. An injury took that away and I met him at another school. This guy could be on the cover of Mens Health any time he wanted. He did zero lifting... we lived together, trust me. But he did run about 20 miles a week. My point is that hes has great genes, a mesomorph... Hes suppose to get big. Trust me, we all hate him, lol.

True skinny guys have to apply health differently. Lifting big didnt help me like its going to help you.

But overall, eat extremely well and stay active on the things that give you passion and you'll thank yourself later in life. I hike a lot because I have a passion for getting some place with a killer view that I have to work for. Pick your passion...unless you just love the gym its not the healthiest place.

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Don't put so much importance on fitness unless it's for you and not just for women. Yes, you won't get to that shape and keep it, you'll have to stay with it for the rest of your life or start from scratch. Best way to maintain a physique is to eat healthily and do light weights/cardio or just be an active person in general!!
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It's down to what your perception is but given what we know -- that being the vast majority of women don't like massive, bulky heavy weights -- i'd say it's safe to assume that the body type for dance floor is more evenly distributed, nominal BMI, toned and muscular arms and legs and a nice V with a six pack.
You just contradicted yourself bro.


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Don't put so much importance on fitness unless it's for you and not just for women. Yes, you won't get to that shape and keep it, you'll have to stay with it for the rest of your life or start from scratch. Best way to maintain a physique is to eat healthily and do light weights/cardio or just be an active person in general!!
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It's down to what your perception is but given what we know -- that being the vast majority of women don't like massive, bulky heavy weights -- i'd say it's safe to assume that the body type for dance floor is more evenly distributed, nominal BMI, toned and muscular arms and legs and a nice V with a six pack.
You just contradicted yourself bro.
Not exactly.

I was pointing out that you should be keeping fit for your own health both mentally and physically. If you're already healthy enough but not a gym buff and happy with how you are then don't press it if it's just for women.

The second point was in a different context altogether, that of what women actually find an attractive physique for walking around and being topless(Although you'll find that most women find it a turn off in general to see a guy topless out and about or in a club). If you wanted to be the kind of guy who went around shirtless then the physical features are someone who is more normal, to say but has a toned body. Not everyone wants to go around shirtless but if you want to be that guy then go for that physique if it will make you more comfortable.


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Don't put so much importance on fitness unless it's for you and not just for women. Yes, you won't get to that shape and keep it, you'll have to stay with it for the rest of your life or start from scratch. Best way to maintain a physique is to eat healthily and do light weights/cardio or just be an active person in general!!
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It's down to what your perception is but given what we know -- that being the vast majority of women don't like massive, bulky heavy weights -- i'd say it's safe to assume that the body type for dance floor is more evenly distributed, nominal BMI, toned and muscular arms and legs and a nice V with a six pack.
You just contradicted yourself bro.
Not exactly.

I was pointing out that you should be keeping fit for your own health both mentally and physically. If you're already healthy enough but not a gym buff and happy with how you are then don't press it if it's just for women.

The second point was in a different context altogether, that of what women actually find an attractive physique for walking around and being topless(Although you'll find that most women find it a turn off in general to see a guy topless out and about or in a club). If you wanted to be the kind of guy who went around shirtless then the physical features are someone who is more normal, to say but has a toned body. Not everyone wants to go around shirtless but if you want to be that guy then go for that physique if it will make you more comfortable.
Depends. Having a better body will make you more attractive to women, MUCH more attractive. I know, because I have seen huge differences myself all the way from 130lbs at 5'8" to 175lbs at 5'8" with all the extra being muscle.

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