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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 5:27 pm 
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I am not sure what is wrong with my profile. I have been getting lots of visits but no responses for a few days now, and can't put my finger on what is pushing all the women away..

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If anyone could take a look and give me an opinion, that would be awesome :!:

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:20 am 
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Dude idk wat ur using facebook twitter wat. I can't tell u anything without that

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:38 pm 
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ok cupid it says in the subject.

Pretty average joe profile. You were getting messaged before?

It's fairly rare women will message you first and even when they do it's usually something retarded such as "hey hows u" or equally as lame. In general you'll be making the first move.

I used to get messaged about twice a day at one point but the pool of avaerage women who I would never date who are desperate enough to message guys first soon dries up.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:34 pm 
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Pretty average joe profile. You were getting messaged before?

It's fairly rare women will message you first and even when they do it's usually something retarded such as "hey hows u" or equally as lame. In general you'll be making the first move.
I was making most first moves, but I was getting a higher opener-to-date rate (as in, a date every night, so no complaints there)
That started going south to where I have one date tonight, a second date tomorrow night, one possible date on Wednesday and that's about it
Plus, I have had a couple of bad dates, so it's starting to get at me. So I feel I need to fix it.

Do you have any idea for improvements?
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I used to get messaged about twice a day at one point but the pool of avaerage women who I would never date who are desperate enough to message guys first soon dries up.
Yeah, it feels like there was a "pool" I could reach with my current stuff, and I dried that up and now need to take it to the next level.
I have been trying to work on the profile to give it a boost, but it seems to little avail..

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:11 pm 
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I just wrote a huge post but it's screwed up and I lost it. FML I'll go again and try to make it quick.

Examples of some of the messages you sent would be a big help for us to help you.

If you were getting dates every night with that profile then I think you were doing very well! The fact you seem to get dates would suggest your profile and messaging is fine but it's your actual dates that are the problem.

A good profile will do these things -

1. Demonstrate confidence 
(David De Angelo's Cocky Funny works well. Can also be described as "cheeky") 
2. Demonstrate higher value (DHV) 
3. Humour (Ties in well with Cocky Funny) 
4. Mystery 
5. Rapport 
6. Frame control


Having said that your profile alone is just a running commentary of your life story which if I'm honest I couldn't be bothered to read the entire thing because it was pretty boring. This means there is a complete lack of mystery.

Mystery can be created by not SPAM too many details. Avoid talking about yourself too much. Be aloof. Don't talk about you're job and don't be too specific. Allow her to use her imagination to figure you out. Think of movie trailers or an episode of lost. Give her a taster and then cut the supply. Create suspense and anticipation!

Demonstrating Higher Value

The key to DHV is qualifiers. Get the girl to qualify herself to you. Get her to chase you. Get her to jump through you're hoops. Take control and be a man.
Do not kiss her ass!
Don't tell them you have high values (ironically telling her you have high values shows her you have low values). Instead directly SHOW them you have high values.


I'll post some more soon but keep this in the back of your mind for now.
On-line dating in general sucks. Women on there are attention seeking hoe's either on there for an ego boost or to get a rich guy to look after them. The only women worth mentioning are the ones who have recently joined up and haven't been disillusioned after being bombarded by guys fulfilling the need for the ego boost.
Target these women, there is a very short window of opportunity but make the most of it. A guy named Magikal (or something like that) on here will fill you in on why it sucks and encourage you to give it up


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:13 pm 
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If you were getting dates every night with that profile then I think you were doing very well! The fact you seem to get dates would suggest your profile and messaging is fine but it's your actual dates that are the problem.
I have had several good dates with k-closes and making out and all (I even wrote reports about them). Then suddenly it all went dead. And I think since I am in a very fucked up mental state (bad breakup) as soon as things started not going well, I lost a lot of confidence and frame. I am trying to swim back up, though.
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Mystery can be created by not SPAM too many details. Avoid talking about yourself too much. Be aloof. Don't talk about you're job and don't be too specific. Allow her to use her imagination to figure you out. Think of movie trailers or an episode of lost. Give her a taster and then cut the supply. Create suspense and anticipation!
Going to try working on that. As for the "life story" part, my assumption was/is that chicks dig foreign guys. But I can be much less detailed I guess.
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I'll post some more soon but keep this in the back of your mind for now.
Thanks man :D
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A guy named Magikal (or something like that) on here will fill you in on why it sucks and encourage you to give it up
Yeah, I have already heard the sales pitch. My experiences have been less horrible for the most part. The worst I got were a couple really booooooring chicks!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:30 pm 
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I have made a bunch of changes already. I am going to start "using" the updated profile to open chicks and see what happens.
If you have any more feedback, keep it going.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:27 pm 
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I just wrote a huge post but it's screwed up and I lost it. FML I'll go again and try to make it quick.

Examples of some of the messages you sent would be a big help for us to help you.

If you were getting dates every night with that profile then I think you were doing very well! The fact you seem to get dates would suggest your profile and messaging is fine but it's your actual dates that are the problem.
Uh. No. The other girls don't know how he is on a date, so that makes no sense.

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A good profile will do these things -

1. Demonstrate confidence 
(David De Angelo's Cocky Funny works well. Can also be described as "cheeky") 
2. Demonstrate higher value (DHV) 
3. Humour (Ties in well with Cocky Funny) 
4. Mystery 
5. Rapport 
6. Frame control
More or less correct
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Having said that your profile alone is just a running commentary of your life story which if I'm honest I couldn't be bothered to read the entire thing because it was pretty boring. This means there is a complete lack of mystery.

Mystery can be created by not SPAM too many details. Avoid talking about yourself too much. Be aloof. Don't talk about you're job and don't be too specific. Allow her to use her imagination to figure you out. Think of movie trailers or an episode of lost. Give her a taster and then cut the supply. Create suspense and anticipation!
Yes. Don't talk too much, dont make it too long, and what isn't mentioned here, be creative.
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The key to DHV is qualifiers. Get the girl to qualify herself to you. Get her to chase you. Get her to jump through you're hoops. Take control and be a man.
Do not kiss her ass!
Don't tell them you have high values (ironically telling her you have high values shows her you have low values). Instead directly SHOW them you have high values.
Eh, not really. If you make contact, just go for logistics. Do not have qualifiers in your profile, they just turn girls off and you can always ignore girls you aren't interested in. SHOW you are high value, I agree with that, but do it in a positive way not in a "You should think I'm high value because my profile shows I'm picky" that's retarded.
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I'll post some more soon but keep this in the back of your mind for now.
On-line dating in general sucks. Women on there are attention seeking hoe's either on there for an ego boost or to get a rich guy to look after them. The only women worth mentioning are the ones who have recently joined up and haven't been disillusioned after being bombarded by guys fulfilling the need for the ego boost.
Target these women, there is a very short window of opportunity but make the most of it. A guy named Magikal (or something like that) on here will fill you in on why it sucks and encourage you to give it up
No. Online dating is the easiest and arguably best way to meet women. It sucks for people who don't know wtf they are doing or if you are really ugly, but if you are at least average looking, it is BY FAR the easiest way to meet women in most locations. I do prefer pay sites like match to okcupid, but the whole girls are online for their ego thing is just a bunch of bullshit that guys who can't get girls online tell themselves.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:02 pm 
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Hi Seagull,

I'm not a pua, it's all a bit too complicated for me, but I do use a few good core principals, and thought I would share.

1. OkCupid is great. But understand what it is, and what you are doing. It is just like your Linkedin profile should be. Like your CV or something, it should just be about a page, that gives enough infomation to get you an interview. In this case, to meet up in person. After that, you're on your own, but to be honest you have nothing to worry about because you are both there for sex. Above all else remember that, you're trying to communicate with a real human being, not just throwing half-arsed sentences into the internet abyss like messages in a bottle hoping people will find them.

2. This is advertising. Decide how you want to advertise yourself. Sure if you want to photoshop your cock into a big bright banner with a star on it with 50% OFF BUY NOW ONLY 99C, COMES WITH 2 FREE GIFTS, and send it to a 100,000 people, you will make some sales, but you will have to send a lot of messages which is a lot of work for low quality customers.

3. Target a specific audience, and write your profile 'Ad' to appeal to at least 80% of that audience. Do not lie in your ad, people won't buy a bottle of water if you try to tell them it will make them immortal. You have to be a real person. I'm a post-grad student, so I target artsy girls, who are smart and easy going. This is fortunate because these are the girls I like.

4. What does your ad say? My ad doesn't lie, it says clearly that I am not interested in a long term relationship right now, and that I would prefer short term and actually specifically one night of sex. I take great care not to 'miss-sell' my 'product' because the buyer is king. Buyer satisfaction leads to good reviews, and we all want good reviews.

5. Those dumb-arse questions you have to answer are dumb. But they are also the core to the 'matching' system, and everyone looks at them. Also, there is a 'comment box' which no one ever uses because they are pissed off at being asked whether they want to stick a glove up their left or right arsehole. But to me, that's two sentences of advertising space, where I can explain my views, or say something that will make a girl feel good for a moment. I'm giving her something for fee that no one else is, and I really don't mind because it's only two bloody sentences.

6. By doing this within 24 hours okCupid had emailed me that 34 women 'liked me'. About 15 were between 30 and 41, and the remaining 19 were mostly in their early twenties from 21-25. I'm 30 by the way and had specified 8 years either side, so 22-38, and within 10 miles of my area. I don't want some bloody instant messenger relationship I just don't have the time. At this point I hadn't send any messages, but have 10 in my inbox, 2 from girls I think I will like, and a shortlist of about 6 girls I really fancy, with 3 being a 'its a match' status. They are high quality girls - a med student, a training solicitor, drama nimfo, crazy artist, you'd be surprised. Internet dating is a normal and exiting thing for a lot of girls, so don't be weird and bring your own hang ups into it!

7. So what does this mean? Not that much really, so don't get so excited. It means I've got 3 'interviews' lined up, and a good quality shortlist of girls that I fancy of all different attributes who all like me, and know that I want to meet up and have sex with them as soon as possible. However, the real work begins now, which is messaging, and I advise a few well written, longer messages that get the job done over 'spamming' the site and every half-decent-loves-sex girl you rate 2 stars or above. Work smart, not hard, remember you do actually have to conserve enough energy to actually have sex.

hope that helps a little.


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Hi Seagull,

I'm not a pua, it's all a bit too complicated for me, but I do use a few good core principals, and thought I would share.

1. OkCupid is great. But understand what it is, and what you are doing. It is just like your Linkedin profile should be. Like your CV or something, it should just be about a page, that gives enough infomation to get you an interview. In this case, to meet up in person. After that, you're on your own, but to be honest you have nothing to worry about because you are both there for sex. Above all else remember that, you're trying to communicate with a real human being, not just throwing half-arsed sentences into the internet abyss like messages in a bottle hoping people will find them.

2. This is advertising. Decide how you want to advertise yourself. Sure if you want to photoshop your cock into a big bright banner with a star on it with 50% OFF BUY NOW ONLY 99C, COMES WITH 2 FREE GIFTS, and send it to a 100,000 people, you will make some sales, but you will have to send a lot of messages which is a lot of work for low quality customers.
Yes, these two points are good, but do NOT make your profile ANYTHING LIKE A RESUME. And btw, that profile example you give is actually one of the best profile types out there (minus the cock picture)
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3. Target a specific audience, and write your profile 'Ad' to appeal to at least 80% of that audience. Do not lie in your ad, people won't buy a bottle of water if you try to tell them it will make them immortal. You have to be a real person. I'm a post-grad student, so I target artsy girls, who are smart and easy going. This is fortunate because these are the girls I like.
No. This is terrible advice. There is no benefit to filter out who sees your profile and who contacts you. No downside to get more views and more messages.
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4. What does your ad say? My ad doesn't lie, it says clearly that I am not interested in a long term relationship right now, and that I would prefer short term and actually specifically one night of sex. I take great care not to 'miss-sell' my 'product' because the buyer is king. Buyer satisfaction leads to good reviews, and we all want good reviews.
Being honest is good in general, but not this. This is a bad idea. Most girls will have a ONS, you don't have to filter anything. This is a great way to filter out girls who do just want ONS but don't want to appear like sluts (i.e. 90% of girls)
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5. Those dumb-arse questions you have to answer are dumb. But they are also the core to the 'matching' system, and everyone looks at them. Also, there is a 'comment box' which no one ever uses because they are pissed off at being asked whether they want to stick a glove up their left or right arsehole. But to me, that's two sentences of advertising space, where I can explain my views, or say something that will make a girl feel good for a moment. I'm giving her something for fee that no one else is, and I really don't mind because it's only two bloody sentences.
No, only answer if you have a good funny attractive answer. Otherwise, leave it blank. No one cares about them, or the match %s etc.
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6. By doing this within 24 hours okCupid had emailed me that 34 women 'liked me'. About 15 were between 30 and 41, and the remaining 19 were mostly in their early twenties from 21-25. I'm 30 by the way and had specified 8 years either side, so 22-38, and within 10 miles of my area. I don't want some bloody instant messenger relationship I just don't have the time. At this point I hadn't send any messages, but have 10 in my inbox, 2 from girls I think I will like, and a shortlist of about 6 girls I really fancy, with 3 being a 'its a match' status. They are high quality girls - a med student, a training solicitor, drama nimfo, crazy artist, you'd be surprised. Internet dating is a normal and exiting thing for a lot of girls, so don't be weird and bring your own hang ups into it!
This is a good result. Good job!

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