I love a good challenge.. and the snobby bitchy ones seem to get my horsepower up. but i havent found a way to go from snob face to doggy dinner bowl face. ideas?

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You are the product of the reality you create.

You have to demonstrate you are "non-needy" and you don't want anything from them. You start your interaction by not showing interest. You get along with her friends and those around her but neg her. Your goal in the first bit of interaction is not to get along with her yet.

These girls are not "bitches" they are just tired of lovable loosers approaching them. They have been approached so many times with the same half-hearted attempts such as: "I like your shoes?" "Can I buy you a drink?" "Where are your from?" Your ability to come in under the radar prevents you from getting the "bitch shield" or "protection shield." You can't show you have any interest in her up front to counter act this. Then when you see she is interest through IOIs you can return interest very slowly.

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Ok i shoulda been more clear.. ok so what if they were bitchy before you get the chance to even show disinterest.. i understand neediness theroy liek the next man.. but im talking aobut naturally bitchy girls.. the ones who are just mean.. flat out..

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You are the product of the reality you create.

Glad you understand the theory behind it all. That makes thing much easier. Now that I understand you completely you are referring to girls who have a natural attitude where they are mean. To answer your question if they are completely cold, I personally will find another set.

I know that isn't the exact answer you were looking for so, to be "helpful" I would suggest asking someone like "Paramour" who is naturally aggressive at first with guys. She has a strong frame and could provide added insight.

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Degrading language toward women has no place in PUA.