Well she blocked me, so if that was what we were aiming for then mission accomplished I guess

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Well now you know. No point in beating a dead horse. And you still left that little seed of doubt that one day my flourish and grow. She obviously got the picture or she wouldn't have blocked you so quickly.
Full stop?
You wasted your time investing in her with zero reward.

It's time to move on, time to focus on a girl that WILL reward you.

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Yeah at first I was like "shit", but then the more I thought about it the more I thought I was glad I put an end to this dead-end conversation. I would also rather leave her with an impression of me as an arsehole than as an arse-licker.

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This is genius for its simplicity.
+1

I hate to come in late to the party, but I just saw this thread.

I wish I would have seen it sooner because I have had to deal with this exact scenario several times.

While the suggested response "he sounds perfect" is witty and creative to an objective observer (hence all the high-fives by other forum posters), you have to think about how it is received on the other end.

Think about how YOU would feel if someone was subtly insulting your judgment and the person you are dating.

She didn't give you any indication that they were about to break-up or she was tired of him. She just told you he is possessive, so that's why you got blocked.

Timing is everything and you have to read between the lines when certain "lines" are appropriate. The line "he sounds perfect" would have worked better if they were having problems and she was already about to break up with him.

Here is what I have done in the past that worked really well.

Me: "That's cool...I've been in a similar situation in the past, so I know what you're dealing with. I'll just hide out here in the corner.... If things ever change, let me know because I think it would be fun to flirt with you."

This line accomplishes several things.

First, it establishes rapport by relating to her situation and putting you both in the same boat - per se.

Second, it plants a seed that you can be her secret guy or alternative whenever things change.

Third, it's playful and intriguing. Girls love flirting and fantasizing...especially when things aren't going good with their existing relationship.

All you needed was a little patience with this girl because inevitably her disfunctional relationship is going to fail and guess who she would think of when it does....

Why on earth would you say this? It's saying "Yeah, I'm just going to be a little pussy and sit around and wait for you to be free to talk to me while you are fucking your possessive, controlling boyfriend because I'm not man enough to say something."

Atleast by saying "He sounds perfect." you are taking one last stab at the situation. A guy who really means anything to women WILL NOT sit around and "wait" for a girl to become available. That is about the chodiest thing you could respond with.

Yes, mission accomplished, it evoked emotion. NOT logic!
Logical sure, no room to rationalize here, it's obvious, you will dutifully wait. Like a puppy waiting for the kids to get off the bus, only to be ignored.

She is likely pissed, true. So fucking what. Why? Pissed or not she isn't thinking about the 'boyfriend', she is thinking about the douche that said that.

She now knows he does not give a fuck if she contacts him again or not.

A woman's pussy isn't tied to logic, it's tied to emotion.

Now she will begin to rationalize her emotions.

She will want to 'fix' this.

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Nah, I've shown her endless rapport, I'm bored of it.

I'm not sure this "plants a seed" because it's just plainly saying that I'll be available, which isn't intriguing but would just be laying myself out there, pretty much asking for her to assign me value instead of showing that I have value by my actions (which is what I think Heywood's approach has achieved).

And "hiding out here in the corner?" Listen, I'm not saying I'm not capable of fucking things up by myself, but giving another guy advice of that nature is something you should really think about. A guy's self esteem would have to be pretty low to feel like that was an appropriate thing to say.

And ultimately I wouldn't mean a word of what you're suggesting I say. If you read the thread, you read me saying that I felt relieved to be out of a "dead-end conversation". What you're suggesting would just be leaving me open to prolonging it indefinitely.

The reason I went with Heywood's suggestion is that so many other people thought it was good, even Skills who initially thought responding was a bad idea. To be given advice that good and refuse it would be a sin, to be honest, and I don't regret taking it, despite the consequences. Yeah, I felt like an asshole for doing it. But it also boosted my self-esteem, where I can assure you that your approach would have had the opposite effect.

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Could you please elaborate on this last part. In what way do you think she will "rationalise her emotions"?

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That. Whether the emotion is positive or negative, it doesn't matter. Sometime in the future when she becomes available, she will always feel that she is dealing with a masculine man and NOT a pussy.

Moreover, Skills360's type of women gives you calibration whether to f-close within 24 hours, 7 days, 4 weeks, or several months. If you're after the human being instead of just her pussy, some women are definitely worth f-closing 7 days, 4 weeks or several months into the future.

Say, if you're targeting the heir to a multimillion dollar estate for some pimp game or a good girl from an influential clan for that political career of yours, then Heywood's advice is the best for future sarging.

With Heywood's option, you may have lost the battle now but you might still win the war later.

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I totally understand what you are saying.

Trust me, I do the full Alpha thing all the time, and it's definitely the right approach with many women.

However, I've also learned over the years that one method does NOT always fit every situation.

It's much more complex than that - Facebook in particular.

Have you ever seen the messages a girl gets on Facebook? One of my coaches is a hot female and you should see all the "alpha" attempts to pick her up on Facebook.

Alpha dog often works AGAINST you on Facebook because it doesn't distinguish you from all the other horny douches trying too hard to get instant attraction via standard PUA tactics.

As you can see, the alpha approach failed miserably in this case, yet you're still saying it was the right approach???

You can satiate your self-esteem and say "well, at least I took one last stab and saved face", but that's just being ignorant and not learning.

When I first started out, I was alpha 100% of the time and had good success, so your advice is not all bad.

However, I went to almost 100% success when I learned WHEN is the right time to be alpha versus more passive and have patience.

I can't tell you how many texts/fb messages I've got from girls out-of-the blue where all I did was plant a seed months ago while they were in a relationship and not interested in moving on yet.

Think about the mindset of a girl who just breaks up with somebody. Is she going to be calling the douche who insulted her choice in guys where she will now have egg on her face? Or is she going to call the guy that seemed respectful and displayed playful/casual interest?

As I mentioned, this girl clearly gave NO signs that she was interested in leaving her boyfriend. However, she didn't initially close the door on FUTURE contact. Only after using your "preferred" approach did she totally shut the door.

Sometimes you need the proper intuition to know when to INVEST in the PRESENT and when to invest in the FUTURE. Your approach totally sabotaged both in this case. My approach would have kept BOTH options available.

Plus...Just because you're a little more passive and patient at first doesn't mean you can't turn things more Alpha later when the odds and risks are more in your favor.

In short, I totally understand your mindset of "no patience" and utilizing "high risk/high reward" techniques. However, your game will elevate to new high when you develop the intuition to choose the right mix.

I'm one of the more vocal forum posters around here on the soundness of using Vibe/Role Theory in your game for the simple reason that it works infield. And I'm glad other PUAs use it.

However, we can categorize the plots in erotic romance novels into two:

• 1. Girl chases the bad boy who spikes up her emotions and in the end, she tames him. The bad boy becomes a good boy.
  
  2. Good guy chases the good girl who chases the bad boy. The bad boy messes up the life of the good girl. Finally, the good guy enters the scene and out alphas the bad boy at his 'badness'. The good girl realizes that the good guy isn't that nice at all and can be a monster bad boy. This wets her pussy for the good guy and they fuck each other at the end of the story.

Plot #1 sells well many folds over than plot #2.

Pick up is about improving your odds or placing your bet on the technique that will give the best bung for your buck.

Personally, I prefer spiking up a girl's emotion now whether it's good or bad rather than later. If it's something bad, I can always make up for it later. On the other hand, not spiking up a girl's emotions early into the game sets the frame for a slow burn, long term gaming. Plot #1 sells well for a reason.

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Here are my two essential rules on texting that will save you tons of time and money:

general-questions/topic137931.html

I don't see how "alphaness" was the defining characteristic of the message I sent. It's hard to quite quantify the effect that the words "He sounds perfect." will have but I'm pretty confident that there is power in those three words and that they will not fall on deaf ears. I don't see this message as me beating my chest and saying "hey I'm the toughest guy in the room". I see it more as a case of "in my honest opinion, what you're doing here sucks". This is extreme frankness and insensitivity (and arrogance and presumptuousness too). I don't see what being "alpha" has to do with anything.
I will repeat, I feel glad to have ended a conversation that I felt was going nowhere. That achieved MY goal, if not the goal that YOU feel I ought to have been shooting for.
I'm not sure that hinting at any kind of future involvement with a girl who has a boyfriend is "respectful". The respectful thing to do in this case would have been not to reply or make any further efforts to contact her, as she requested. You did read this thread carefully before responding, right? You saw that she said "please don't reply"? Saying "It would be fun to flirt with you" and "I'll be hiding in the corner" is still a reply and would still have been unwelcome. Sending the message you suggested might still have got me blocked, but it probably would have left her feeling sorry for me, rather than feeling "my god, who does this guy think he is?" I know which I would prefer...

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I'm confused. Maybe you can help me understand things.

1. Your original post said you had the "hots for this girl".
2. You ask for help on a PUA forum on how to attract her.
3. You take a certain piece of advice from the forum.
4. It totally fails (actually, it's even worse than the typical rejection - you get totally BLOCKED by the girl you like)
5. You then claim to be "glad to have ended the conversation" and "that achieved MY goal"
6. You criticize alternative advice that you didn't try instead of the advice that PROVED to fail.

You are right about one thing in your last post. This result is NOT what I think you should have been shooting for, so we definitely have different goals.

Look...I understand it's hard to get rejected. I've studied psychology and neurology for many years and, unlike most posters, I have a degree and worked with many people who have had to deal with rejection.

Your no different and you're not fooling me by saying that you "achieved your goal".

You're also not fooling YOURSELF. You can blame the girl or paint the result anyway you want, but your subconscious mind knows the truth. It won't fall for the all the tricks that your conscious mind tries to alleviate the feelings of rejection.

It's much better to be honest with yourself and admit you are disappointed. You're human and everybody gets rejected.

However, the real secret to becoming a PUA isn't some witty line, creating an alpha facade, or mastering some "role" from romance novels.

It's learning how to process rejection properly and LEARNING from it instead of stubbornly thinking YOU didn't anything wrong.

Sorry if this is too harsh or brutally honest. If you are looking for someone who will high-five you after getting rejected/blocked or tell you things like - "It's ok bro, she's stupid and you're better off now anyway", then I'm definitely NOT the coach for you.