For future reference... When a girl says " Maybe, Idk, its possible etc." you never ever supply her with anymore details.

She's baiting you into investing by making you compliant when he didn't even give you a direct response. You'll held up a hoop for her to jump through and she said " no, jump through my hoop" and you jumped right through.

But we live and we learn.

I should of told you not to respond in the initial reply. I just figured you were going to check back with me before every move.

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The road I was taking you down is a very advanced narrow road. Any wrong turns or slip ups can end up in an accident.

But don't get down on yourself just yet. There's always a way to get back on track. We just got set back a few miles.

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I should have checked back with u b4 sending anything.. I was thinking about my response in a different way. Like if I txt back that *I* want to watch those movies and then it puts me in control somehow..

She just replied 'What's Elysium about?'

I'm suspecting if I were to tell her whats it about she would reply smthg like 'I dont wanna watch that one' and will try to make me go with her choice..

Right now she is just pushing you into more and more compliance.. She can easily go and google it. But she'd rather suck the emotional energy out of you by baiting you into complying with her question.

Notice how she doesn't even bring up the "ignoring" thing. That was all a plot to getting you to invest in her again.

Revert by to square one.. Don't reply.

P.S. this isn't womens fault, its just their nature. Its the males job to lead.

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Yea, I did notice she didnt ask anything about ignoring lol I already thought the same thing that it was all a plot. Wow. &I've learned my lesson on initial response. Thats a valuable experience :] Thanks Joey

Roger that - back to square one lol

I wonder what's she gonna txt next )

a massive mistake you made was when she sent you her nude pictures , you had to bang her
same thing when she said its hot today etc

yea, probably so. Or maybe she sent those pics in order to make me invest in her more &I seems like she succeeded at that. Cus b4 those pics I managed to be more evasive and alot less compliant. I actually wanted to take it somewhat slow. &our first date(b4 the nude pics and sextalk) was actually pretty cool as well as her initial response after that and fyrther txting. And then everything turned upside down -she started to find excuses not to go out. And then her ex appeared in the picture.
Btw, Joey, should I txt her/post on her fb wall Happy Birthday at some point or send her nothing? I really wouldnt want to invest in her anymore -I alrdy fucked up with the response about going out. But dont wanna look like a total ass either at the same time. Need ur opinion on that.

&She just txted me back: 'Nvm, I can't go:/ 2days my birthday so I'm doing stuff 4 that:/ maybe on Friday or saturday I can. Just ask then if u want'

Yup, I expected smthg like that:/

You're in man.


And sure.. Just post on her wall a casual " Happy Birthday" - Everyone does that even people that don't know you.

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k, cool )

So, I'm guessing since she said 'maybe' in her last txt Im gonna wait it out until she cracks? &if she sends any further txts I'll post em here and wait for ur response -dont wanna fuck anything up again

Whether I'm helping you or not you still have to be willing to "let her go" if you want things to work out. The very mentality that says "I don't wanna fuck anything up again" is the same mentality that fucked things up in the first place.

Always listen to your gut.

She said she'll be free next friday.. So what else is there to talk about until then. Her "cracking" passed when you replied. Just be elusive now. I'm here to help you along the way.

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I meant that I don't want to do any more mistakes cus I'm willing to succeed not cus I'm not willing to let her go. So far its been a good experience. Would want it to continue.

So far I've learned:

- Not to answer/give any further details to a female when she gives u an undefined answer(maybe, idk, probably etc)
- Lack of patience leads to failure
- Ignoring is a powerful tool
- Investing into a female at the very beginning is a mistake.

Self improvement goals:

- Have to develop more patience
- Learn how to make her invest into me and at the same time to avoid investing in her

Hey Joey. I wonder.. If me and her do go out what's gonna be my strategy during the date/hangout? How do I escalate in this situation? I'm pretty sure she's gonna try to keep distance/keep me in the friend zone. And how should I react if she starts txting her ex or some other bs like that?

Well I'm incapable of editing your natural inclinations to feel insecure when she practices certain behavior over night, but I can tell you this: Women only friendzone men that are effected by their negative behaviors. If she starts texting her ex and it makes you feel jealous/insecure she'll lose respect for you. Even if you don't say anything, she'll be able to feel it, it'll enter the "vibe".

Guys usually tell other guys not to talk about a girls ex, but I can talk about a girls ex for hours and then fuck her right after because the thought of another guy being in he life doesn't sway me in any direction. I'm a rock, unmoved by the ever changing ways of a women and it is because of this that they feel "safe" and they feel like they can "trust" me.

It is also important to be the leader of the energy within the interaction. A strong women will try the hardest to suck the sexuality right out of the vibe. A woman is always trying to friendzone a guy, but strong men know better. They laugh off her attempts to "bitch him up" and charmingly put her back into her place.

You are better than her, for many reasons and she knows it. He previous behavior showed clearly that she felt like you were better than her. The moment you begin to feel like she's better than you is the moment you will be considered a friend.

So heres the medicine: (Disclaimer: Medicine doesn't taste good) Repeat to yourself 1000x " I'm better than her" . This will work to edit your thoughts into one of an attractive man.

Any questions?

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K. So if she starts txting her ex I just basically ignore it or react with sarcasm/humor? When do u talk about girl's ex do u make fun of him, her or the fact that she's txting him? Basically, whats ur position in that kind of convo? &could u give any examples of how u put a woman back into her place when she practices a certain behavior?

If I succeed in building a good rapport, how should I proceed from there besides staying confident and avoiding to get affected by her negative behavior? &should I try to make out with her the next time we go out? If yes, what to do if I get rejection on that &she says she wants to be friends for now or any similar bs?

Also, what should I say if she asks if I still like her/have feelings for her or smthg like that?

P.S. Srry 4 all the noob questions. I appreciate ur guidance and patience, Joey

P.S.S. Tnx for the medicine - doesnt taste that bad actually.. Chewing lol

Dude.. it doesn't matter what you say its all about HOW you say it. And HOW you say will always derive from the feelings you are having about the girl at the moment. If you are feeling stronger than her, you will speak in that manner. If you are feeling sexual you will speak in that manner.


About the ex, I never make fun of him.. Well 99% of the time.. I just talk about it like a friend would because I'm trying to help them. But once again, I can do this because I don't give two shits. And I know how to turn on the sexuality when necessary.


And I'd say go for the kiss the moment you see her. You've already seen her naked, she's always went nuts over you. When you see her, go for the hug and the position yourself for the kiss. Instantly. This will show your confidence and starting off on a confident sexual note will end things on a confident sexual note. The sooner you get the ball rolling the better you will be.

Do the exercise. Recondition your mind. You're "HOW's" will be a lot more confident and attractive.

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