To JoeySkillz:
Tnx bro. I thought so, too &didnt txt her back. I wonder tho at what point should I answer? And what should I txt her in ur opinion? She just txted me again: 'So since u aren't txten me I guess that means u don't want 2 try dating again either?' I realize this is all game but I look at it from a different perspective now -practice. I'm not expecting much from this, but I wanna try to fclose or whatever. This is still experience. I hope to use the situation to my advantage and work on improving my game skill no matter the outcome. I'll continue posting updates/questions. Hope on ur assistance.
P.S. Im going out with another girl this weekend anyways lol

To Pickwick:
I realize that. &I realize my mistakes. Ur right -I invested too much +too soon. But if ur Russian u might also remember the saying 'Russians don't give up' lol &I realize that my natural game lvl is low right now but I believe it's about time for me to work on that. That is why I'm gonna stay on this forum and read as much material as possible &apply what I learn in real life. I'm not happy with the way she treated me but I wanna turn the game she was playing with me against her. This should be at least some experience &if I succeed in fclosing -a confidence boost.

P.P.S. lol Her bff just txted me 'Hey, so r u and <her name> cool?'

I got you dude.. She's still at it.. After the next text we're going to flip this situation completely upside down to work in your advantange.

Just tell me when she texts you again... and I'll let you know what to do.

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Awesome, JoeySkillz - appreciate the support &Will do. I think its gonna be an interesting experience

She just sent me a message on fb: 'Sooo we're not friends anymore? Or what? Cus u haven't txt me in a week and so I'm like about 2 move on if ur not even going 2 talk 2 me..' She will see I've read her message on fb, btw

Give her a def time and place to meet, enough with the bs already. If she wont bite then you don't have to waste your time with this one anymore as she's likely seeking validation.

Too many of you guys say stuff like this.. But thats not the way to win. Do you want to just do some "all or nothing" move that almost never works or do you want to actually get the girl?

Honestly, how many times has something like that worked for you? Its like an ultimatum; and ultimatums go with women like water goes with oil.

To the OP - Don't respond yet. She hasn't broken down enough. If she was going to move on she wouldn't have to say it. She's just threatening you. Trying to stir emotion up in you. Wait..

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Yeah man I got you. Roll with what Joey says- he'll guide you in the right direction, plus Iagree with not responding. The fact that she can see that you saw it is a good thing. Nonetheless, she doesn't have a strong sense of will if she is hopping lines with her ex. That's why she will get in contact with you again. Let her put a bit more into this until you calibrate.

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18 Body Language Mistakes I Bet You're Making

She's playing big-headed. She wants to gain her boyfriend by using you, it's 100% clear.
If you like the girl, you have to turn things around, using your way.
Don't ever let her control you and tell you what to do, always disagree.
She wants to kiss you? Tell her that you guys are rushing things, and that you'd rather take things slow.
She wants you to rub her hand? Tell her a neg, such as "woah! calm down girl!" *with a humorous gesture*
Don't let her win you over and lead you.

That's one of the best ways in order to get her. Over time she will start having a higher value for you. Moreover, if you treat her the way she wanted to be treated, she'll turn things around and start wanting you.

Hope this helped

Its about diminished returns. What you're saying is "she's playing games, play games back"; when you have enough experience with women you realize its a waste of time and is a DLV in the sense that it shows you'd sooner beat around the bush rather than B line and declare your intentions. An ultimatum is ordering somebody to do something, this is being assertive and taking the initiative to setup a date - you aren't hitting over the head and taking her to your 'cave', but rather setting the frame that you are interested in hanging out rather than going into this long, drawn-out back-and-forth. Who has time to go a month or so playing pointless games only to discover the girl is only using you to pump her own tires. Seriously. Give your head a shake.

Your advice is the antithesis a 17 y.o. girl would give to her girlfriend about 'winning the guy'.

Incidentally, MANY women move on quickly when the guy stops being responsive. Ignoring her may only reaffirm to her that he's not interested and that guy/guys who were trying to woo her will get the green light.

Ignoring her is def working lol She tried to call me this morning and txted: 'I've been trying 2 get in touch with u 2 ask u if u wanted 2 go see a movie & 2 ask if we're still friends? U told me u weren't like the other immature guys I dated, so can u @ least act like it and stop ignoring me & tell me how u feel and if ur not my friend anymore or not? Please'

I know what I am talking about man.. What I'm telling you is going to shift the energy of the interaction. If you try and do what the above poster said she'll use that to exit the situation. She needs some emotion to feed off of before she can leave. Its just how women are. And based off her current behavior she isn't going anywhere over a little " unresponsiveness ".

You're still not in the position to tell her " Hang out with me now. I'm done doing this talking game" - There energy just isn't there yet. Based off the information I was given. What n2thevoid is saying would work for him as someone who was "no nonsense" from the beginning. You weren't that guy, so that won't work. You can't just instantly become assertive after she's known you to be a certain way. You have to gradually become that guy or it'll come across fake.

This is what Im teaching you to do.

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Now... do you live alone?

And how comfortable are you with talking on the phone?

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Unfortunately no, not at the moment. I currently live with my parents -saving up money for my own place. So if it came down to sex it'd prolly have to happen in my car or something.. And I prefer real life interaction over the phone conversations. I'd say I'm usually comfortable with talking on the phone but it really depends on the person I'm talking to.
n2thevoid def got his point but I think ur right -I had a bad start. If I give her an ultimatum she'll disappear and try to find some1 else.
I appreciate ur guidance, bud. What should I do next tho? Should I respond to that last txt she sent me? I realize I should avoid answering any of her questions about why I didnt txt her and all. But how do I avoid that if we r on the phone? Or when we hang out? And if its time to send her a message -what should be my first message like?

Well the pro way to handle this situation is to pick up the phone and call her 24 hours after she stops texting. She just begged - which means she willing to give you all of the power if you would just talk to her. Meaning, any request you throw out at the moment will be met with automatic compliance.

" Hey I was thinking of having you over at my place later.. Whats on your schedule?" Would be a text that would get her on over if you parents were cool with it.

Now don't bring up the whole "ignoring" thing.. If she mentions is.. just say " Is that the way you start a conversation? "

Are you free tomorrow? If so.. text her in a few hours.. " Whats happening in your life tomorrow at (pick a time) ? "

She she says something other than " nothing I'm free" just send a different time.

For example

" Whats happening in your life tomorrow at 6?"

if she says " I'll be busy" ... you say " How about 10? "

If still not available... don't reply and we'll work from there.

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Damn.. I wish I had my own place right now:/ My parents won't be ok with that, besides they have a small house so I dont think I'd be able to fclose with her at my parents house while my parents r there anyways. And they r almost always there (
So I guess my only option here is: 'Are you free tomorrow?' Btw, do u think I can txt her this evening or I should wait until tomorrow morning(wait for full 24hrs)?

Btw, what if she keeps bringing those questions up about me not txting her later in the convo? &what to answer to the 'So u still wanna stay friends' kind of questions(I'm sure she'll ask smthg like that)? &whould u recommend to start using negs in the convo/txting or maybe some other techniques(like games and what not)?