Keep this short and to the point.

I don't drink. In the minority of people

I have very split reactions to dealing with breaking the news to people because many HBs (and others) have difficulty dealing with this.

The two options are keep returning to are 1) The direct approach of flat out saying I dont drink or 2) alter the frame, and then wait for the subject to come out later.

This issue has come about in various stages of the open to f close time line.

Any suggestions?

Why don't you drink? Since that is one of the most common social activities everywhere, I think you will miss a lot of opportunities if you play the straight edge. Drinking doesn't mean you have to get 'drunk,' but why not just have a few drinks if you're at a party or someone invites you out to a bar. I never get drunk, but learned that I have to stop being stubborn about alcohol... Being the odd man out isn't really fun for people.

But if you're really committed to complete sobriety, for whatever reasons, aren't there straight edge activity groups?

I can relate actually as my wing does not drink. Used to but not anymore. It is not the worst choice, though.

The reason plays the biggest role i think. Why. There is a difference in drinking and getting drunk. I used to get drunk a lot and it lessened my chances considerably. So i changed that, i drink when i go out (to sarge) but a lot less. I think it concers the what kind of drink as well. I a person drinks something that lasts for a long time (in example something with lots of ice or a scotch or etc) he can change the habit of getting drunk. I did.

But back to the "nothing at all". It can be a bit difficult maybe, there are lots of times when you get accepted into a group where you try to sarge someone or just the target alone and people buy shots for the whole group or a drink for you or whatever. Then it can be a bit weird not to take part. DLV, some might say.

But the most important thing is why. If you are worried of getting drunk, change the drink or amounts. Take less money with you if it helps. If you do not drink at all, there is no reason to start if you don't want to. Just change the game. Daygame for example requires no alco and noone watches you weirdly. During day i think it would be perfect to say "hey i don't drink" but still set up an evening date as it is comfortable and already established before that you don't drink. On the other hand things like "hey it's boring here, let's go myplace for a drink" don't work either. You have to work your game around the drinking.

As for a come-back line or something, it is entirely not necessary. You don't need to explain yourself. You are the alpha, you do things that suit you. You don't need to adjust yourself according to what random people want. You know, "i don't need a drink to feel good, i already do", for example, if you do need a line. Take it as a shit test, if you play it cool, people accept it.

You both hit on the basic points as to why I dont drink, though the taste, diet and the fact that it makes me feel sick. The main reason is that I'm not comfortable doing something that alters my mental state. Although I know one drink doesnt mean you will be slurring your speech. And look I can certainly handle myself being sober in a room full of people drinking

My experience with it is not so much as shit test (although it can become one) it just happens to come up in conversation and I'm sort of in a loss about what to do about it. As mentioned it leads to exclusion which is not the goal. I guess my question is how do I best go to adjusting the frame so that I can demonstrate to a target that even though I dont drink I'm perfectly good in those scenarios and do not have to be excluded (without saying it directly)

The problem you'll have not drinking is that it diminishes the girl's credibility when she goes home with you. Girls love to make excuses for their "slutty" (I hate the term, as it's not really slutty but oh well) behaviour. "we were both drunk and one thing lead to another" is such an easy rationalisation for a girl and it's damn close to socially acceptable.

"I was drunk and he took me back to his" doesn't fly, unfortunately. She sees you not drinking and she knows she can't rationalise to her friends that "ooh we got drunk and, you know tehehehe". It means someone (you!) have to take responsibility for the encounter because you're sober. For the girl, that comes across as you "taking advantage".

What to do about it? Just get a coke and say it's a vodka and coke, or whatever.

I don't drink anymore either. I completely understand where you are coming from. My advice is not to listen to noob AFCs that tell you "just drink alcohol, you don't have to get drunk". If you absolutely need to hang out where the booze is, just ask the bartender for a water or soda. That got to be too risky for me even, so I just avoid places that serve alcohol altogether...

The local strip club near me is alcohol-free and thus fully nude. I also occasionally go out ballroom/swing dancing at a club that does not serve alcohol as well. I have had to cut some friends loose that drink heavily as it was too risky for me to be around them. They also always wanted me to be designated driver, which got old really fast.

I made the mistake over the years of hopping into the passenger seat of cars after people had been drinking booze a couple times. This is extremely dangerous. I would not advise it to anybody...

I usually go out alone these days and stick with day game as it is. It is much easier for me to pick up girls when it is light out than to have a bunch of drunk partiers telling me I'm ruining their booze activities. I choose to be sober for medical and social reasons. I commend anybody that can fight the peer pressure and do the same...

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Not drinking is going to make a lot of girls think you are strange, or make them uncomfortable. When you are at a part grab 1 beer, and sip on it the whole night. Most people are going to assume you had more than one. Another tacit is to get 1 can of beer, and when the girl is not looking or distracted you pour out the booze and fill it with water. Throughout the night, sneakily full the can back up with water.