If I am in a set in a bar, and a guy comes over and tells us the fighting girl story. I think I will think, "Why does this guy come over to tell us that? What's his purpose? He seems so dramatic, he is obviously acting." So I think that I will interrupt him, "Hey, guy, why do you come over and tell us that? What's your purpose? We don't need you to come here to give a performance. Your manner is so unnatural, it's obvious that you are acting. Please leave us."

You're 100% correct and exactly why canned indirect openers are stupid. Indirect openers are good for getting over AA, nothing else. Once you can approach girls with an indirect opener with confidence, you may as well go direct. Indirect openers are just easier for people with AA, low self-esteem and poor inner game because they are lower risk. That's why they're taught in the first place, to get you over AA. Not to get you laid.

That said the old overused "Did you see those 2 girls fighting outside?" has a basis in a situational opener. But you need to deploy it with the right level of enthisuasm and the correct manner. Unless you actually come across with and "OMG!" attitude, it's never going to work.

However, I agree with you. I hate those kind of openers for the exact reason you stated. Situational/Direct/semi-direct openers are better than indirect ones for me because it gets straight to the point. I have no interest in telling a silly opener for 2 minutes, it's better to have a one line direct opener and move on to something else.

"You're 100% correct and exactly why canned indirect openers are stupid."
I disagree. It's just that its better to come up with your own canned openers than to use openers from a book and TV show that a lot of people heard about. CAnned openers that are personalized sound more convincing.

"Why does this guy come over to tell us that? What's his purpose?"
You are absolutely correct. Mystery heavily uses canned openers, but his best student, Style, adds a few things to his process that's makes it even more effective. One of them is, you need to use an opener that is "rooted" which basically implies "The reason why I'm asking this to you strangers is because"

I do Mystery Method, but I don't like the fighting girl opener; it cannot be rooted. Rooted opened ended questions are better, especially if they're about relationships. Starting with a time constraint, then "I need a female's/you guys' opinion on something," then the rooted opener.

Example
"Excuse me. I have to go soon to meet up with my friends, but before I go, I need a quick opinion from a woman's perspective. My friend moved in with his girlfriend in LA, but almost immediately, they broke up. They still have a few months on the lease so they still live together but they are dating other people. Do you think it's OK for them to bring in their dates into the house?"

See to me that's WORSE because it's not rooted at all in any kind of reality or purpose. If some random person came up to me and asked that I'd be thinking "Why is he asking that?".

It's perfectly fine as a second opener or for "friends of friends" at a house party but clubs? Random women on the street? It's just incongruent with any kind of social behaviour.

The fighting girls one is rooted because it's an implied situational opener. "I'm commenting on this thing I just saw, you're in the same place did you see it too?"

The dating thing you proposed/who lies more/etc are simply terrible openers because there's no reason you'd ever ask it. "I need a female opinion" is a very weak root when used in this way. You need to use it in the context of "Settle an argument me and my friend here are having" and notice the tense. Present tense. Using the "female opinion" root on an story that is in the past, or not happening right now in this location isn't a good root.

An good indirect opener needs to meet these criteria:
-It needs to be properly rooted. The one you posted and claimed to be was not at all! It still leaves her asking "Why is he asking me this?"
-It needs to be something that you might be telling anyone.
-It needs to be very short. Your dating one is crap because you have to do a minute of talking before getting any reaction out of the set. "Did you see those 2 girls fighting outside?" Is better because it's one sentence, it's quick and allows the girl to respond very quickly. Even the equally unrooted "Who lies more" works in the short Question/her response/your response manner.

The reason that situational openers are strong is because they're are always rooted. "Nice hat, I might have to steal it" is a fantastic opener because you can only say it to her. She knows the reason you're saying it to her is that she is the one wearing the hat!

All I was trying to say in my first post was that for me: "Hey, I like your style!" is a far better opener than a two minute story about your friends.

The root is "I'm a guy and I need your opinion because you are a group of girls and I don't know how girls think"

I dunno, maybe it's just our personal style. For me, situational openers, like the fight one, works better in the day, cuz things tend to be a lot slower. In a bar, I feel the ones that promote interactive debate works better since the sets tend to be larger.

I'm sure it works but I find it very weak like the OP.

I agree entirely about getting a debate going, but I prefer that as my 2nd opener:

"Nice hat, I might have to steal it"

Girl: "Thanks/Whatever"

"You guys are fun/stylish/friendly, can I get your opinion on something.."

And make it congruent with the opener. If I open with some variant on a comment on their style such as hats/jewellery i'll chain it to an opinion opener on tattoos or clothing or something related.. "Should my 8 year old niece be allowed to get her ears pierced?" or whatever! It just flows better and more solidly roots the question.

Opinion openers right off the bat always feel clunky to me. YMMV of course, but it seems more natural to ask an opinion after opening with something less obnoxious. Why should the girl care enough to giver her opinion? At least if she's already said something to you then you are just continuing the conversation that's already in motion.

I'm currently reading the game. And I SUCK at opening in clubs. But yea in the book you learn those indirect openers. But I don't think I got the guts to open with ''who lies more,did you see them fighting, or any opinion opener.. But direct openers in a club, I don't yet have the confidince I have the look for it, because I always bring my selfesteem down in a club for some reason.

So hehe now I stil don't know how to open a club that suits me.. Just want to find one. Do you guys always just open with the same or vary it?

I can't really think of any nice opener to open sets. Throwing opinion questions later is nice when yur sitting, but sucks if your on the dancefooar.

You're over thinking the "opener." It doesn't matter. It's just an excuse to get a conversation going. This is where good conversation skills will come into play... A girl will never be in bed with you and say "You're opener... It was a bit too situational. I'm gonna go. Have a good night!" Most people don't remember the first thing you say to them when you meet. So again, the opener doesn't matter. Use whatever you want. My student I who was on a boot camp with me last weekend decided to use "Hey! You guys!" and he wound up making out with 3 girls in one night...

After your student said "Hey! You guys!", what did he usually say?

Does direct game means expressing your interest straight away, like that you enter a bar, and you see a girl in a set, you walk to her, and say, "Hey, I find you are so beautiful, I like you." ???

"My name is XXXX, you guys looked cool and I thought I would come say hi." That's it. That was his opener. Some girls were receptive to it... some girls would look at him like a creep and tell him get away.

Opener isn't very important, as Majikal said. The conversation is important, and an indirect opener can buy you more time.

The indirect is just a way to start a conversation. It works best with groups.

If you start with indirect opener, you will have to turn up the heat at some point. I like starting with indirect and throw in a canned routine, and then work my natural game after that.