Lets destroy this term "N-Close" because it is absolutely worthless in game. It means literally nothing. Getting a girls number is nothing more than getting an additional communication method. No matter what you do that ability to talk to her on the phone is governed by your wisdom in game. I can get hundreds of numbers no problem. That doesn't make me a PUA or even close to being one. That just shows me how far off I am. How much I need to improve to make a phone number even worth it.

Numbers are stupid. The significance of getting a number is the same as if she handed you an enclave lope to send in the mail. It doesn't mean shit.

How do we gain the connection with a girl to make her want to talk to us. She has to n close us. He investment is hardest to extract from a woman. How do we do that. Fuck numbers. They don't mean shit.

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I completely agree with you! In fact, the other night I wanted to try something new and I asked a girl if I can use her phone for something and I slipped my number in there. When I left, I said: "I left a surprise in your phone, it's in your contacts!". The only problem is that I didn't get any texts/calls from her yet, but it's only been a day and a half and I'm seeing her in 2 days, so we'll see what happens. :p You can try it out if you want!

you have to know how to use a telephone in order for it to work. Most girls who give their number won't respond when you text or call, but some will. The ones who do will look for excuses in how you use a phone to ignore you. But it's a valuable tool. I mean what else are you going to do? fuck them the same night you meet? Probably not. Numbers are lays. Paul Janka says he gets 1 lay out of 9 numbers. That's about accurate for me right now but I do not chart. Although 2 summers ago I had 13 active numbers and 6 lays from it and probably could of had 2 more.

I've heard a few people say that you have to learn how to use the phone but honestly I cannot fathom how this is possible. I can get a hundred numbers easily but that doesn't mean shit when they all flake. I pretty much blame it on poor game in person when we meet. I'm very direct. No canned material. I give sexually charged actions through words and body language.

I feel like my game should be working. In person I feel good about my interactions but I get nothing out of it.

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Don't even bother going for the number unless you have established a real connection with the girl

Another thing, make her invest in the interaction. Get her number with intent of hanging out with her again.

"You're kinda fun! We're hanging out later! What's your phone number?"... "Wait, what's my name first girl?!" "Okay, what's your number?" "Cool, we're hanging out later!"

You've gotten her phone number with the purpose of hanging out later and also made her invest in the interaction by remembering your name.

your game before the number depends on a lot of factors. The post was about texting. 100's of numbers do not all flake. It's an impossible statistic.

I do this though. I don't just randomly get the number. I game them hard before I ever get the number. That's the last thing I do. I talk and talk. I tease and kino where I can. I get sexual when I can but the numbers always flake. The phone game is a black hole of rejection for me. I can have what I think is a great interaction with a girl but get fucked on the phone game.

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There are some good guides out there and maybe even on here on texting methods. I can't tell you where to find it b/c I don't use guides but i've skimmed through a couple and can agree on the principals. If you find something and want me to skim over it and advise if it's good, pm me and I will.

What exactly is happening if you get a number? Are they not responding to your first text, or do you get decent convo going in the text but they start ignoring you? My last 5 phone numbers I've got have not responded to my first text and I was 100% certain at the time they would b/c I had good fun conversations with them and they didn't hesitate to give the number. Keep in mind I'm getting the numbers from the hottest slenderest girls in town though too. But I don't get too down about it b/c it's impossible for them all to ignore me. It's an important part of gaming women.

I disagree to a certain extent. Even if you get a number and your in person game sucked really bad you can still build attraction from text game. Every single number you get has the possibility for you to practice and improve your text/phone game which is extremely beneficial in the long run.

For example, one girl I met very briefly at a party a few weeks ago gave me her number. I built very little attraction and i probably even DLV and looked like a complete fool. I was really drunk, started flirting with her in front of her boyfriend. She gave me her number, she seemed very hesitant. Then me and her boyfriend almost got in a fight (just a little pushing/shoving/screaming). I figured this number would amount to absolutely nothing but the very last messages we sent were:

ME: I thought of a better safe word: "OMFG IM CUMMING!" but you would be screaming that all night so that wouldn't work...
HER: You're right, that wouldn't work. I don't know if you can handle me sweetheart, i think that would be your thoughts screaming in your head (;

My point is each girl is different, sure some numbers will be useless and others will eventually lead to a fuck buddy, but each and every one is practice and as you improve your game you will get better and better results regardless of how little attraction you initially built.

Text and phone game is fucking terrible. Cellphones have honestly become the single worst thing that has ever happened to game. Girls use it as a great tool to flake, lie and be cowardly.

I don't know how to get past phone game. It is an impassable phase. It is a brick wall.

I'm completely lost.

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You don't like it b/c you don't have enough experience with it or you are just not good at it. I have a wing who can get a ton of numbers and I've been with him when he starts texting a girl he just met and he sucks balls at texting. One reason is b/c he gets excited and starts blowing up their phone when they respond. The next reason is, he's generally just a dumb texter and not original or entertaining about anything.

It's going to take you maybe somewhere from 10 to 100 numbers of women you think you are sincerely interested in, depending on how quick you catch on , to develop your method based on their trends to keep them interested. One thing I usually do is let them have the last word and leave them hanging for a little while. Maybe that's 20 minutes, maybe a few hours, maybe a few days. I could write a book on how I seduce women in by texting them , ignoring them, sending mixed signals, building them up, breaking them down, treating flakes like it never happened 3 days later and saying "how was your day" 3 days after a flake , but it's all something you can figure out.

If you've only got 3 or 4 decent numbers your entire life which I assume is the case, you're going to be frustrated right now b/c you don't know what your doing

I get countless numbers. I get about 2-3 every week I go out. I just don't have a fuckin clue how to get past it. I could do so well in person with chemistry and touching and then it goes to shot the moment we go to text game. I'll text her a day later and I use all of those last word tricks and I get nothing. I even get numbers from online dating which is essentially texting without the phone. When I get the number and try to continue through text it's like they flip a switch. Getting a girls number basically means death for the relationship.

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Your stats on that shouldn't be that bad if you are getting 2 or 3 numbers per week. There has to be something in your method that's turning the girls off. Could they be giving you the number b/c they don't want feel rude not giving it to you , then just ignoring you ? Could your texting be real generic and something they don't want to hear? "Do you want to go have a drink" is a common line here but it's really not a good line. Something seems broken in either your initial interaction, your initial text, or your text game in general. But I don't think you are getting 2 or 3 numbers per week. If you were, you wouldn't be doing the threads here that you are doing.

Last week I got 3 numbers in one night. This week I've gotten 2. Numbers are too easy to get.

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well evidently you suck ass at texting. If I'm getting the same numbers, I'm having no where near the trouble you are at getting laid and I'm not starting a post recommending it's a bad idea. Part of it is probably your attitude that you brought to the forum, the other part is probably you just aren't good at it. I've put some time and energy in to this thread for you, and all you are saying is "I got 3 numbers the other night and 2 this week , numbers are too easy to get". Which is a real dumb, boring, arrogant and disrespectful response which is part of your problem you portray to women most likely

I guess keep getting them. Eventually you will get one who will see you again.