I've sarged many girls online using indirect openers and i got some success and some LJBFs as well.So recently i switched to direct openers and since the guys in the country i live in a 90% AFCs or complete jerks it works !

The problem is (I THINK) most girls wouldn't be very talkative because they know your interested and they tend to play hard to get / hide their interest if they are which leads to actual replies to your messages but not as active as i wanted, this is a new situation for me and I encounter it quite a lot recently.

so what i'm looking for is how to move things forward without looking cheesy.

here is an example:

09:11
Me
you're so cute (direct sincere opener)

12:20
Her
Thanks

12:24
Me
You seem cool and self confident, i hope i'm not mistaken (push/pull cold read)

12:25
Her
how did i seem like that to you ? (shit test)

12:27
Me
I got that impression from your photos (sincere serious reply)
is it true? (bait)

12:31
Her
Yes i am self confident (takes the bait)

12:34
Me
Oh well i'm a good telepath
too bad i wasted my time on a diploma
so what you do for a living?

12:43
Her
haha yeah you are

12:46
Me
Tell me more about yourself

12:47
Her
i work as a nurse

12:49
Her
I studie in a virtual school

12:50
Me
**** i guess

12:51
Her
Yep

12:52
Me
how do you pass your exams?

13:06
Her
how ?

13:06
Me
ofcourse not on paper?

13:08
Her
No i go to **** to pass the exam

13:12
Me
that must be cool to travel sometimes

13:19
Her
yep

*New Day*

04:18
Her
What about you, what do you do for a living? (after 24h she reinitiated conversation IOI)

04:20
Me
i just got my diploma (I was busy wanted her to ask more details about my diploma, she didn't)

*New Day*

05:22
Me
hey cutie

05:28
Her
Hi

05:32
Me
How are you?

*New Day*
(she saw my messages instantly but replied 24h later, i didnt essage her in mean time, shit test passed)
06:30
Her
I'm good
U?
(so here at this point i said to my self that this is going nowhere, i need to do something but what !?)
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this girl uses her phone to connect to FB so i could t have a "synchronized" chat with her, could t build a vibe. But i know she's interested! but she's not investing enough and i don't think i made enough rapport to ask for a number right? so guys what's the next move and what to do in situations like these?

Thanks

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Golden Rules i learned:
1- If you complement do it a serious way.
2- If a conversation starts with a low vibe and seems not getting anywhere, be direct but not on an emotional level.

If you want a woman's POV here it is...ask her about something that interests her. I assume you met her through online dating or FB, right? READ her profile and see what she's into and ask her about it. Asking about work and school is like talking about the weather or music. Too generic and doesn't make her feel like you want to get to know her. You have to make it personal to engage her.

Best of luck!

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Profile Diva
http://www.profilediva.net

Thank you for the reply, Indeed I met her through facebook, unfortunately i haven't found any information about her in her profile except schools attended and her current work position, which left me with 2 options: 1- Walk away 2- Risk creepy by asking for her phone number so early since she clearly isn't the type of girls that will pursue a guy (seems like she's shy) I don't think our conversation is going anywhere. And i'd rather find a third option.

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Golden Rules i learned:
1- If you complement do it a serious way.
2- If a conversation starts with a low vibe and seems not getting anywhere, be direct but not on an emotional level.

From my personal experience any kind of "games" or fluff talk after using a direct opener a a complete waste of time and lowers attraction! She's unsure if i'm interested or not but she knows that maybe she's getting somewhere, and i know she's interested.

so i just didn't respond to her "and you?" because that sounded so cheesy and just sent her:

Me: Send me a msg on (phone number)

*next day*

Her: Okay

and i got an sms from her saying "Hi, it's me "

I'm gonna let her wait for few hours and message/call her again with some DHV.

I'm writing this for the guys reading and wondering why i said this and why i think this worked.

the last few days i told myself that 3 years ago i wasnt really into dating etc but i haven't any anxiety/AFC thoughts etc and i remember starting to get to know girls and then i had the thought that i'm not good with women.

I logged on facebook and started to read interactions between me and girls that happened 3 years ago and GOD there where so much girls into me but i NEVER moved things forward! then it all made sense, i rarely got rejected in my life, why do i have limiting believes build from just two rejections? all i was doing was AVOINDING girls!

so i learned my lesson and even though i still have those avoidance thoughts i still go forward and damn i pull the trigger as soon as possible, it saves me time, i no longer hear those LJBF and if i get rejected i forget about it the next day naturally.

Golden rule learnt: If i think that a conversation is going to be boring or leads no where i'll be direct but not in an emotional level.

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Golden Rules i learned:
1- If you complement do it a serious way.
2- If a conversation starts with a low vibe and seems not getting anywhere, be direct but not on an emotional level.

Agreed with profile Diva... !


Spark interest with her by engaging her in topics that might interest her to invest.
- look thru her profile (not as a creep) lol

for ex) if she likes to wear a lot of the same Buckle jeans/ LA idol jeans ... what i would do is spark a conversation like this.

Woww.! you like to wear buckle/ LA IDOL jeans?! i just got a pair last week and i totally feel like a new man... How do you feel wwhen you slip those bad boys on ? ; )

Her. XXX




Another thing you can do is ask questions that don't have a simple yes/no answer... to AVOID the interview feeling.
some examples are QUALIFING questions as well...

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Its more than JUST picking up women ........ its picking up a LIFESTYLE.

Let me tell you something, this:
"how did i seem like that to you ? (shit test)"
Tho it seams, this is not a shittext, she's basically saying: Wtf are you talking about?

That's why when you do that kind of thing (making statements instead of questions) you have to explain and have a fair reason, you just don't say: just because i think it is!
exemple: By your looks i would say that you are in some kind of modelling \ fashion design, am i right? (see, there's an explanation for my statement)

"you're so cute" -> Do you imagine how much guys say this to her? Don't say it, it's lame, you have to complement her taking advantage on anything she does.
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I recommend you to create a fake female account over a dating website and see how guys are doing it! You'll get a lot of experience trust me!

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Gotta put da cream!