Hi guys,

I´ve decided to try to find a help here... I just can´t figure it out on my own

Normally, I don´t have any problems to ask girls to come out for a date with me and they rarely reject... I´m always asking only really beautiful girls (8 - 10´s), because my criteria are quite strict. On the date, it seems to me they´re enjoying themselves and usually they don´t mind if I give them a drive to their home (either in my car or by taxi) and also usually, after using a false time constraint, they don´t object about inviting me to their place (I´m living wiht my regular girlfriend, so I´m not taking any girls to my place, where I think it would be much easier) or at least staying with me in my car for some time...

Here´s my sticking point... I can´t get kiss close or f-close, even though they must have liked me (otherwise, why would they agree to have me come over to their apartment?)... Throughout the date, I´m trying to touch them from time to time, hold their hand or do them the palm reading, but maybe I should escalate the things much earlier?

Normally, after coming to their place, I try to give them a back massage and if I succeed to this, sometimes I´m also successful with f-close... but, unfortunately, most of the times I didn´t manage to get to that point or as was the last case, I was massing her back, I made her took off her bra and gave her a nice back massage, while trying to arouse her little bit... but I was blocked...

Can you please give me an advice how to overcome this sticking point? Thank you.

VanM

Of what I understood, you are trying to make back-massage before kiss-close. I think you should reverse it. Go to their place, have a quick drink, say you are in rush and have to go and then try to kiss them. I would skip that back massage, sounds a nuisance.

Well, but how to come from just being there to kissing, so that it´s natural... This massage thing is sort of a sneaky thing to get under radar and if I get to there, I have a fair chance of f-close... But still is just a chance, so there´s something I´m not doing correctly

You go to her place. Get a drink. Have a stupid chat, do some kino. Stay very close but don't kiss her. Let the tension rise. Then put time contraint. Eventually just touch her cheek/neck by taking her hair out of her face. It will wet her. Now you kiss and f* close.
Massage makes her face be away from you, she has time.to think "should I? Bla bla".my opinion at least. You have to have face-to-face contact. Boob massage is OK.