Thanks I'm meeting with her at a nice "upscale" place in her area tonight. I have no real plan since this was her idea, but I know she is going to look amazing and we'll see where she takes this.

Hmm kinda weird after last night. Went to the place, it was ok, too loud inside to talk. She doesn't even drink and was maybe the only sober chick around.

We went outside and literally just sat around talking again. It got a lot more physical, maybe the last 1-2 hours all we did was make out. We found a nice private area, I had her in my lap, straddling me, dry humping and making out basically. But she's not ready for more right now.

Kisses/lips were great though, and I couldn't keep my hands off her, so even though she kept saying I was drunk and that after 3 dates all I wanted was sex, she did get pretty intimate and allow it which was a nice treat. It kinda pissed me off and nearly ruined the night last night that she kept saying it, but I now realize it was her only defense to not fucking my brains out.

I guess that's where this story ends. Date 1-2 absolutely amazing. Date 3 not nearly as much fun, but by the end of the night she was definitely not shy about kissing me in front of everyone. She lived close to the place and we were out until about 3, but I couldn't seal the deal. And there just weren't any "fireworks" or anything else particularly worth mentioning about last night, I guess if she wanted to make it serious, I would. (Her shyness may end up being a deal breaker).

Not sure if I should text her though or which direction I should take this (or even how to go about date number 4) but it's been a fun past few weeks, thanks guys.

Huh? Don't you want to continue dating her? I'm confused about your intentions

I think that if you wanted sex, a third date at your place would have been better. You already had 2 good dates out so you could have gotten away with inviting her. Or saved the kissing until you got to her place. She probably knew you wanted sex at the bar so wouldn't have invited you back. She wouldn't want to feel like a slut.

It's cool I was just upset that things didn't go completely my way or as expected last night.

But I really can't complain after doing the things we did last night and as hot as she is. So if she wants to take her sweet time before going any further, that's fine.

And we texted a bit this morning so she's definitely still into me. So all is good I suppose. Just not used to this turtle paced romance, but I guess that's what it takes to build a genuine relationship.

OP.

Do what you want with her. Going on an "extravagant" flight and dinner date my be just a walk in the park for you 2... where as for most of this this would be something we would do on the night we propose lol.

**But they key to day 2 is that you close her ass. after you go out you gotta get her back to your place or hers and close the deal or else she might just put u into the friend zone.

GL
Duke

I tell you exactly what she was thinking:

"OMG, 3rd date clichè, I'm making out with him, is this where I am supposed to have sex?" (ASD!)

Don't worry, you're still golden, hold her hands and shit. Try to be just like a boyfriend, you are passed the "dating stage".

But for fuck sake, please don't take her to Hawaii for a date, just watch a simple DVD at your mansion, where you will cook her a nice meal with a glass of red wine+escalation+kiss her neck= sex.

I promise you. She will bang aslong as you are not a complete numpty.

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I tell you exactly what she was thinking:

"OMG, 3rd date clichè, I'm making out with him, is this where I am supposed to have sex?" (ASD!)
Lol probably

Don't worry, you're still golden, hold her hands and shit. Try to be just like a boyfriend, you are passed the "dating stage".
Thanks

But for fuck sake, please don't take her to Hawaii for a date, just watch a simple DVD at your mansion, where you will cook her a nice meal with a glass of red wine+escalation+kiss her neck= sex.
Lol we were actually talking about going to the keys for a weekend, but she said eventually she would love to. Yea I'm sure we'd be cool with whatever we do, but I hope it's something just chill/casual.

I promise you. She will bang aslong as you are not a complete numpty.
Yea, I'm pretty sure she wants it. But she is such one of those high maintenance chicks (as far as diet, looks, and anything with her body). I'm willing to bet she requires an std check, etc. before she has sex with anyone (of which she claims she's only had one bf...and hasn't had sex in about 2 yrs). And whether or not this is true or not is really irrelevant imo, lol.

Ok so after last Saturday night out, we talked briefly Sunday morning. No talking on Monday.

Tuesday I texted her in the afternoon. Didn't hear back until later around 8. She said she left her phone at home while she was at work, and she went to the beach directly after work.

We chatted for a bit and all was normal as usual. So it seems like it was a shit test/freeze out from her to see what happens if she doesn't text back right away (because she has been perfect for 3-4 weeks we've known each other and it's not like we're a couple...yet). I still got a goodnight text and some lol's etc, so I'm guessing I handled her "freeze out" ok.

One thing that is getting annoying is that she never gets a hold of me first. I always have to contact her.

She says it's because she knows I'm busy with school and work, and she does have more of an introverted personality (but before anyone wants to say it's an issue, remember that whenever I asked her out, she has been available at all times to meet with me, and again it's not as if I'm her bf). And she told me from the beginning she likes space and privacy (same with me). But when we do text, it's anywhere between 5-50 texts a day probably.

I thought about freezing her out, but I don't want to get childish here. She could probably just have been exhausted and needed space, or very well just forgot her phone.

Anyway, this other chick who is an MD and has a nice condo off Brickell wants to hang out. Maybe she'll be a nice distraction while my sexy but shy HB10 decides wtf she wants.

Don't freeze her out.

Just arrange a date near to sex location.

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Well, this story took a turn.

All we've been doing since date 3 is texting every other day pretty much, all good and business as usual. I give her her space etc.

She never invites me out or initiates contact but says she's pretty much down to chill with me whenever as long as she's not busy.

She is 23 and she started doing 23 yr old things like telling me how awesome yesterday was (she went paddleboarding and jetskiing, which were things we talked about doing). And she never told me until I brought it up.

And she would forget facts about things we've talked about. So I think she has been dating other ppl, which she never admits and I've told her I don't care if she does (but she started giving me excuses when I asked her out last minute. I couldn't tell if she was trying to cover up she was out with someone or just fabricating a lie to test me.)

So I get fed up and say she's being weird and maybe we should stop talking for a while, and she said I should stop being impulsive but she agreed on not talking. (I was tired of dealing with games in order to build trust, especially when I have more mature women that are more outgoing.)

I think there is still potential, but the series of texts that went down was pathetic on my part (3 weeks of on and off talking and we don't even talk on the phone. She does have a very heavy accent though and is kind of shy, or at least acts like it).

Enough ranting, bottom line I got tired of waiting lmao. I still wish I could just be with her, but that shit isn't happening and she's given me too many negative signals (although they are greatly outnumbered by good signals.)

And the biggest thing that could have hurt it for me was when she brought up what she was looking to do in the future with her life/career. I told her it was stupid outright (which it is) but the way she brought it up I didn't know it was her career plan. I think this kinda buried me just a bit and I never really got to bring it up again with her to redeem myself.

I def think I could see her again, but I'm just going to let it sit for now since she can't talk over the phone. If it works out in the future it'll work out. In the meantime, it's not hard to get dates here.

My plan was to just take it easy and let all the other guys, if any, that she was dating to mess up. But idk after 3 weeks of being on point, I would have expected to be visiting each other's places and watching movies etc by now. It was too docile and the passion was just lingering, she wouldn't initiate it or engage it.

Oh well, I need to stay away from these young girls, this same exact thing happens not too long ago in March (but only took place over a week instead of 3) which there is a thread for that on here as well.

I guess that's it. If anyone wants me to post any updates or has any thoughts just let me know.

Sorry to hear that.
A lesson learned here that I was afraid of from the beginning: whether 2 people get together romantically has little to do with how amazing the dates are. In most instances it comes down to how smoothly you escalate.You can get a gf quicker by taking a chick on a walk, for drinks and then sleeping with her at your place, than flying her to Milan one night. If you wanted a friend to have some fun with, then fine and nothing lost. But if you're interested in someone, the priority should be how you smoothly escalate and get her comfortable with you.

Yea we had that romance after date 3 which was last Saturday. I should have made plans for us on July 4, but by then it seemed kinda obvious she was probably seeing other ppl.

You see, I like these challenges and always make things difficult for myself.

Anyway I keep getting texts from this other chick and thinking it might be her. And idk I'm not really upset over this just more kinda pissed she was being a 23 yr old and hiding shit...or so it seems.

Well no point in dragging this out now. I catch feelings for chicks, never works out. I want to just bang a chick and she loves me.

I think I might have come on too hard though, she's just a college chick on a budget.

Thank you neo, much appreciated.

I created a thread to get some responses on how to get passed this issue with my LTR interests

post789822.html#p789822

PS - It's crazy how your day to day actions can make such a difference. If I would have went running earlier in the day, I wouldn't have taken the picture at the river with all the yachts to send to her, and tell her that's where we should go boarding.

If I never would have done that, we would have never had the following conversation, and all of this would have been AVOIDED. Man, I'm going for a walk lol.

I think after last night I came off as needy through those texts.

I should figure a 23 year old still wants the stereotypical bad boy who doesn't give a shit, regardless of what she says she thinks she wants. But that surprises me based on how much of a good girl she acted like. All this confusion is due to lack of communication on her part, which is why I confronted her, and it was all downhill from there.

My last message to her was kind of a send off basically saying Well it's been fun and I know you enjoyed it too, but if you are not ready to show more effort, then we are not on the same page. Call me if you ever need, goodnight.

She wrote me last saying she couldn't talk because she was out to dinner with her family...and she said she wasn't sure if we should keep talking or not, then says the good luck and take care"

I should have talked to her first before saying we should probably take a break, because to her from her perspective it probably came out of nowhere. So her tone the whole time was probably, ok this guy needs to get himself together, rather than actually talking it out with me.

I guess I should give it a day or two and contact her (or today?). Take her out to dessert or something since she loves dessert. But I see where I screw up now, I should have just waited until the next time we were out and continue to escalate. I'm pretty sure that would have worked out a lot better.