True. I think the AFCs are just afraid of rejection by telling a girl she's physically attractive. Direct game is for people who are not afraid of rejection so much. Indirect game is so much less rejection for obvious reasons. What's going to get more rejections - Hey you're so adorable? or Hey is this the way to Main street?. I feel one of the main reasons guys don't do pickup is fear of rejection. Direct game tells you that you're going to get rejected and you just have to move on. Indirect game shows you how to get the girl with less rejections.

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Personally, I only ever use direct openers when I've already established a little bit of eye-contact before opening her. If I get a sense that she has even just slight interest, then boom; direct opener. Usually things just work out from there.

Otherwise situational openers work pretty well. Go read some of Stormy's post, the guy is a legend when it comes to direct openers.

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If a girl likes you, of course it isn't going to hurt to call her beautiful, not much will hurt at that point. But I stand by not direct approaching with a comment on physical beauty, I always thought it was just a fundamental of pick up. Not so much that you are lowering yourself in her eyes, but it just isn't unique. She get's called beautiful all the time.

These are some of the comments on HB10's facebook post of her face she posts 3 times a day:
"Gorgeous "
"Wow, so beautiful"
"Hott1e!"

Now she's going to hear: "Hey has anyone told you that you are beautiful?" as an approach from John Johnson looking to score at the bar.

I never know how to open to a woman. I always look up pick up lines. I just watched the mystery show and they use those indirect openers. Like ''Hey I need your opinion on this, my friend bla bla bla'' aa
I now really believe that what you just typed is just IT. Don't look further thats it. And think about it.. How many girls have ever met a random guy on the street who walked up to her and started a conversation like that? I am quite sure its NONE. So thats already 1-0. And you go from"OK, so I noticed you from over there and thought you were really cute, so I had to say hi." in 1 second to something completley diffrent! So its only 2 seconds that feel uncomfortable I guess!

Thanks! And I watched some on youtube. Most PUA use something like this and not the cheesy indirect pick up lines that all we newbies try to shelter behind!

Oh I've been John Johnson in public before. It is a lot about vocal tonality when complimenting physically. Seeking rapport, neutral rapport, and breaking rapport. If you say "You're beautiful" where you raise your voice at the end then it will lower your value. Think about how you say "Come here buddy!" to a dog or a baby. Imagine saying it the same exact way but saying "You're beautiful".... gross. That's something a girl gets told a lot, telling her she's beautiful without the confidence behind it. If you say it with confidence then that's the best shot you have. Especially if you just have a normal conversation right afterwards that is in the attraction phase... Most guys go "You're beautiful, where are you from? What do you do?..." which is shit that should be in the comfort stage. Talk about something else without a million questions.

I actually just did a direct opener about an hour ago. She was sitting down having lunch at the mall by herself. I sat down at her table before even greeting her, none of the over the shoulder stuff. I said something like "I was standing over there and I saw you and I thought you were gorgeous," and the way I said it was not the way you may imagine it in your head like most guys do... it was the same exact way you would say to your best friend that you see all the time, "Hey, we should go get some food right now," which is when you keep your tonality the same exact way for the entire statement. Not desperate, not begging for anything.

But yeah I totally agree with the HB10 Facebook page. I do the same thing if it is a girl who I would never want to hook up with. I can practically sense the desperation when guys say "Hottie!" instead of saying "Looking good." or "Nice picture". I normally go for the non desperate approach with Facebook commenting and a lot of times I get a response from that than all the other guys.

I like it. I do like the idea of direct openings too. I am more of a straight to the point type of guy anyway. These are some good posts you got here, I think the approaches used by the PUAs are too damn flowery. A direct opener also transitions better into an eventual number close.