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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:35 pm 
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The relationship you are having with her is being framed as if you are chasing her. You have to frame it as if she is chasing you. For now, ignore her for two weeks and let her worry about meeting you on Wednesday. If she never hits you up or see you for Wednesday, then don't go texting or calling her to make it happen. Next time, you guys talk she will be asking you "why you didn't hit her up for Wednesday or if you forgot", you tell her that it slipped your mind, that you have been busy lately.

You can't be asking her out yet like that. She is jus keeping you their in her sphere to her convenience. You like her pet right now. You have to switch that and make the situation turn to your convenience. Make her your pet and make sure you not her pet.

When you text her, don't text her really quick back. Give every text time, so it comes off as if she is not your main priority.

Next time, you guys talk don't ask her out and keep it flirting and making conversation.

Make it seem as if she is the one who is chasing you and likes you, but with your attitude and characther.

If you guys do meet on Wednesday, because she reached out to you, you go out with her and make her have fun then call the date off early. Your attitude during the date should be charismatic but at the same time reserverd. Like you trying, but you not really stressing it. Let her stress it. You gotta be like James Bond who is reserved, mysterious and yet sociable and witty in a funny way. Be funny in a sarcastic way, don't start being a comedian. The goal here is to mind fuck her to make her go crazy and not have you figured out.

Start dating other girls please. Put some pressure on her. The first time you guys meet in person, lay down the rules towards this new situation. Of course now, you can date other girls and she can date other guys. So set some restrictions. Be like it is important that if you gonna continue being in contact wit me now that you no longer my girl, we keep the respect in the relationship. Don't be talking to other girls all out there bluntly if you are with her. Flirt with other girls in a respectful manner in her presence. Now if she breaks the rules, the rules don't apply no more, so in calm and patient manner start macking it to other girls. Only fuck her wit a condom, no oral sex, not much kissing. She is not your girl anymore, make her work her way up from ground zero again. Let her do most of the talking always, don't say as much of yourself. Be on the offensive/defensive. Woo the girl, but don't get too close to her. Hold her hands only for brief moment to maintain rapport. Kiss her and end the kiss first. Tease and seduce her. Make her wet and crave you. Be the good guy who is really bad for the moment. For now it's only you in the picture, not you and her. She gotta work to get in the picture now. Of course be defensive by not letting her do the same to you.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:56 pm 
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As for conversation, bring up general topics like a video that's viral on the internet. Be like " I just saw this video on the net with "so what so what and so what" , just can't believe this is what people advertise in society nowadays.
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You can bring up a story or life story that is funny or somewhat interesting. You can flirt with her off the back and push and tug.

However, when initiating conversation do it through text. Always start off with Hey or Hey Stranger, don't give too much yet until she stops acting disinterested, then you open as you were.

Trying to never ask questions about her and stuff like that, it will come off as if you trying to find out about her and you are chasing her. If she is hesitant or refused you on a date, don't bring it up again and give it some good time before you ask her out again. But play it off as if it dont bother you. If she say no or it slipped her mind, be like "no biggie". Leave it at that. Don't be like "I had something else or it wouldn't have been good day to go out anyways." She will then really perceive it is bothering you. It is all about perception.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:42 am 
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Alright man, that's great advice. I have pretty much gotten control of how i'm gonna continue with this now. I've already got the right mindset. She had a conversation with my mother yesterday, they were both really close. She mentioned that she isn't sure if we are gonna be able to continue since she never hears of me and that she isn't sure of my ''feelings'' because i have reincarnated my old life and i'm always available, I regularly post a small thing about my night before, when i go out etc... I always get lots of responses so that's pretty great. She also mentioned that it was her fault aswell (the initial break-up) so when i put everything together, things are working perfectly. I'm pretty sure on wednesday i'll be facing a lot of shit-tests, she will probably play hard to get aswell. Guess my patience is gonna be key now.

Thanks a lot for the advice so far, it's been very helpful, i love it. Not only does it help for this situation, but it will be gold once i get into pretty much any situation again.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:00 am 
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I'm furious at this girl, she actually bailed on me at the last minute saying she didn't feel well.

The conversation went like this:

Her: I dont think i'll make it today, i dont feel that well..
Me: Aight, then it stops here for me today.
Her: Ah cool, so your decision was already set, even when you'd still see me?
Me: You dont have to search for a way out. If this is already to much effort then i'm cool with it. there are plenty that you can be disrepectful with, but not me.
Her: Ok, then i'll see you (the place we met) at 2 am
Me: Now you're available? I just got back home, not playing your games.
Her: Because i dont want this to happen by texting. I dont treat you disrespectful, i feel like a wreck today. I dont play any games at all.
Her: (Follow up text): I'll bring your stuff back today and come gather mine.
Me: Should've paid more attention, everything has to go the way you want it to go. Or you're looking for an excuse. Nah, you can throw my stuff away, i'll send you back yours.
Her: Funny part is, it's going exactly as i want it to go.
Me: That's life babe, anyway, despite all this, i still wish you the best of luck!
Her: Same for you ;)

This is a typical response from her, she probably got angry and decided to put on a mask saying this is what she wanted, she doesn't care blablabla. Like i mentioned, she's super jealous and defensive. I haven't contacted her besides our date, had pictures with girls taken, went out a lot. She probably got jealous and wanted to fuck me over.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:02 pm 
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This is what's happening instead of her being jealous which you think (wrongly)

You got her as a gf got too comfortable, lazy, available ie. stopped working on yourself and the relationship. She god tired of it and told you. By the time she told you her attraction faded, so it was too late anyway. Any attempt you make now to try and get her jealous will be transparent (she is not stupid).
She told you in your last conversation that everything went as she planned = she wanted to break up with you.
So this one is over, no way you gonna get this girl back and have a proper relationship.

My advice: stop contacting her. forever. Get a new girl. And when you have your next relationship, never forget to remain the same person that she was once attracted to.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:26 pm 
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Trust me, i am 100% positive that this was one of her ''revenge'' acts.

When i dated her, i soon noticed a red flag, at some point we started talking about our ex's. She told me that her ex didn't care for her and she tried screwing him over by being a bitch, telling him she did horrible things which she didn't and actually felt really hurt but it was her defensive side coming up. During the relationship she has done the same to me. When i would talk to another girl, she'd talk to another boy. If i didn't act jealous when she wanted me to be, she'd shit-test me hardcore but i never gave in, I still remember when i got a text-message from a friend of mine (guyfriend) during the night i went out, she was super pissed and didn't believe it was my mate (I talked to a lot of girls that night), said she'd go flirt and text with other guys aswell, i laughed it off and went to sleep.
Eventually she apologizes and says she does it because she doesn't want to show weakness. She has had a talk about me with my mother, saying i'm always available, that i dont talk to her, on top of that i have a lot of pictures (with girls) etc... I'm sure she felt that i had the upper hand, and trust me.. I did. She opened me up on facebook first etc.. She probably got annoyed and jealous because i completely changed my life with her not included in it. She tries defending herself 3 times in our conversation (She wants to meet up again, she says she doesn't disrespect me, isn't playing games and she wants to come over to exchange stuff) and i didn't give in to her again. if her main goal was to break-up and she didn't care at all, she'd have said ''Ok, have fun!'' while i told her it was over for me. When it comes to jealousy, she has deep mental issues and trust me. She'll do anything she can to screw you over, anything. She told me herself.
She's a ''bad father figure'' type of girl, so i'm not surpised.

I'm not trying to make her jealous, i saw this one coming so i was prepared. The pictures i posted and stuff was pure for DHV value, ever since we decided to break contact i have had 3 dates. I never ever put anything of that on facebook because making her jealous or not, the facts are there and the relationship was over either way.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:45 pm 
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If you know she's playing games, don't play them.
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Her: I dont think i'll make it today, i dont feel that well..
This is where I would have stopped responding completely. You know it's disrespectful, so freeze her out. There's no sense in showing your frustration to her by saying this:
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Me: You dont have to search for a way out. If this is already to much effort then i'm cool with it. there are plenty that you can be disrepectful with, but not me.
Me: Should've paid more attention, everything has to go the way you want it to go. Or you're looking for an excuse. Nah, you can throw my stuff away, i'll send you back yours.
Me: That's life babe, anyway, despite all this, i still wish you the best of luck!
That's showing your cards, showing you're frustrated, and that she's essentially won her game.

Personally, I'd have completely ignored her until she actually picked up the phone and asked to see me... Even if that means never.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:32 pm 
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If you know she's playing games, don't play them.
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Her: I dont think i'll make it today, i dont feel that well..
This is where I would have stopped responding completely. You know it's disrespectful, so freeze her out. There's no sense in showing your frustration to her by saying this:
Quote:
Me: You dont have to search for a way out. If this is already to much effort then i'm cool with it. there are plenty that you can be disrepectful with, but not me.
Me: Should've paid more attention, everything has to go the way you want it to go. Or you're looking for an excuse. Nah, you can throw my stuff away, i'll send you back yours.
Me: That's life babe, anyway, despite all this, i still wish you the best of luck!
That's showing your cards, showing you're frustrated, and that she's essentially won her game.

Personally, I'd have completely ignored her until she actually picked up the phone and asked to see me... Even if that means never.
Yeah the minute i sent the messages, i realised i gave my cards away. I didn't feel terrible because i realised it soon enough and made the best out of it in what was possible.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:42 am 
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Bro, having a strong frame geered towards your intention defensively and offensively is super important. Your frame must be super strong in confidence but complex in covering all the factors of the situation you deal with in any relationship.

-Never argue with a girl, it will never get you anywhere. It actually works against you and gives her more justification in doing you wrong.

- You state your claim not with words, but with action and attitude. That is the only way she will learn. It's like a "good behavior = reward, bad behavior=no reward. Girls want attention and to be loved or feel wanted/ Guys want sex and power. So the only way to punish her is not to reason with her, but to lay her off coldly and ignore her. But you must do it as covert as possible. It's like feeding her propaganda as subliminal as possible towards your intent in the situation. Never your cards away either as said previously.

- You must always maintain your composure. Never make it seem a slight chance like if you trying to show off. Instead, make it seem like if that's your lifesytle and fake it so good that it becomes true. But while you fake make it look as true and legit as possible. You don't have to go as far as posting every girl you were wit and posting on FB statements related to what your doing. Jus put 1 0r 2 girls on FB and don't be posting comments about your life. Stay mysterious. Jus feed her a little to initiate interest, but no more.

- For example, this how i would've done it:

Her: I dont think i'll make it today, i dont feel that well..
Me: No biggie luv.
*PLAIN AND SIMPLE. LAY HER OFF AS IF IT DON"T BOTHER OR IT DON"T MATTER TO YOU. IGNORE HER IN A SMART AND PATIENT WAY. TIME IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT IN THIS. I WOULD LEAVE IT AT THAT. SHE WOULD TRY TO TEXT ME A FEW TIMES TO SCOPE ME OUT, CAUSE SHE IS LEFT CLUELESS. I WOULD DELAY MY RESOPONSE AND RESPOND HER EVERY THREE HOURS. SHE WOULD TRY TO FIND OUT IF I WAS MAD, BUT I WOULD DO THE EXTACT OPPOSITE. MAKE IT SEEM LIKE IT DONT BOTHER ME CAUSE THE PROBLEM IS PETTY AND SHE IS JUST SHIT TESTING ME BY TRYING TO FLAKE ON ME AND MAKE ME CRACK. CAUSE IF YOU DO LET HER KNOW YOU ARE BOTHERED, IT WILL COME OFF AS IF YOU ARE NEEDYIN HER MIND. WOMEN ARE NOT LOGICAL, BUT MOSTLY EMOTIONALLY DRIVEN. AFTER RESPONDING HER TWO MORE TIMES AFTER MY FIRST RESPONSE IN THE CONVO. I LAY HER OFF COLDLY AND QUIETLY BY NOT RESPONDING TO HER AGAIN AND IGNORING HER. SHE WILL FEEL LIKE SHIT AND SEEK FOR VALIDATION BY TEXTING ME AND CALLING ME. IF SHE TEXT YOU DON'T RESPOND TILL TOMORROW AND RESPOND HER TEXTS EVERY FIVE HOURS TILL SHE SUBMITS TO YOU ON HER KNEES. BE CAREFUL SHE MIGHT SUBMIT TO YOU TEMPORARILY OR FALSELY AND THEN BREAK YOUR BALLS. YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE SHE SUBMITS FOR REAL. BUT KEEP YOUR FRAME AT ALL TIMES AND KEEP IT LEGIT CAUSE IF YOU REVEAL YOURSELF, YOU GONNA SCREW YOURSELF. SOME GUYS KEEP THE FRAME TIL SHE CRACKS AND THEN FORGET IT ALL ABOUT IT, IN DOING SO THEY REVEAL TO HER THAT SHE WAS BEING FRAMED. GOTTA MAKE THE WHOLE SHOW ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE SEEM LEGIT. IF SHE CALLS YOU, YOU PICK UP THE FIRST TIME AND TELL HER IN A PATIENT AND NO RUSH MANNER YOU BUSY OR GOT COMPANY CAN'T TALK RIGHT NOW. SAY IT SIMPLY LIKE THAT, DON'T GIVE HER NO DETAILS OR NO NADA, MI AMIGO.

* Now moving foward, don't look for her at all anymore. Adapt and promote the frame of she is not a bother to you and she is not your focus. Your focus should always be you. If you have a girlfriend in the future, only give her the adequate time and importance. If a wife as well and only risk your self and balls if there is a life or death situation only. Like saving her life or she has cancer and she is dying. You gotta be Alpha and cold-hearted, but humane on desperate occasions or when appropiate.

*Continue being mysterious and give only a little like a fisherman from afar.

*If she ever wants to get back with you or wants your attention, she is gonna have to work her way up again like every other new girl.

* If you ever give her attention, please keep it at a minimal. Like talking to a girl you don't really care for yet. If she does good by your side, then you become more lenient but never too much or you will over flow. Always remain attraction and upperhand no matter what.

* Always be the bigger and mature person. Keep your manhood through attitude and social dominance. Being social dominant is all about knowing how to manage relations and balancing relations with others. Also knowing your role and being the Alpha in the group who is dominant but uses his extra influence to maintain equality and fairness and balance in the athmosphere. This will promote longevity on your influence amongst others. It's like seducing the fuck out of people but in an appealing and unconscious way for them with stablilty. Never abuse your power, because then you become a jerk who is needy or an inhumane alpha.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:22 pm 
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I appreciate your advice , it's great to see someone this invested to help people out, my thanks for that.

A lot of points that you mentioned were clear for me aswell, the relationship has actually blinded me and I took a turn on the wrong street. The past few days have been utterly life-changing for me. I decided to completely drop this situation from my mind and focus on the future. I have regained my alpha mindset and i have really enjoyed my time as a free man, went to a festival and it was so succesful that i'm still surprised. I'm glad i got to learn from this relationship, both the good and bad sides. It's pretty much what i needed to once again push my boundaries to the next level. I will be posting a field report diary because I want to keep a memory of the moments that i'm going through.

Once again, thanks a lot for all the advice, both to you and all the other members.


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