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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:57 pm 
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Thanks for clearing that up Hobbit. Makes sense.

Interesting post Hellhound. Can't say I'm anywhere near that skill level though.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:01 pm 
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What they really should be doing is instead of saying "NEVER SPEND MONEY IN EXCESS OF $34.83 ON A DATE" is find out why they were spending that money in their AFC past. Probably had to do with buying acceptance or something -- this issue should be worked on and not just covered up with a band aid rule about spending money on dates.
That pretty much sums it up..

I took my girl to the cinema and didn't pay for her because I thought it would be a DLV to pay on a first date because back in the AFC days I primarily paid for dates. Looking back the real reason they probably left me was not because I was over-providing but rather displaying AFC traits. Anyway now I think not providing is actually a DLV especially to a girl you have already fucked if your wanting to get serious with her.. so after taking her to the cinema, letting her pay and then fucking her again she flaked on dinner the following week. I froze out on her as a punishment and it doesn't look like she is going to bother making contact again.

I see where I went wrong.. onto the next one
The problem here, as exemplified in your post and for the majority of posters on this board (including Hellhound), is the attempt to dichotomize women, or look at them solely through an evolutionary lens.

What some of you are failing to grasp is that although some behavior is 'hard-coded' from our primordial past, a lot of behaviors are culturally conditioned. Its not easy to discern which overrides the other in times of cognitive dissonance (e.g. hard-coded psychological behavior vs. culturally imbued behavior) as either one can have a detrimental effect towards the person's wellbeing.

One can reap large rewards from taking large risks, and vice-a-versa. A woman who is 'chaste' is a woman who was traditionally prized and sought-after by many suitors. This, however didn't stop men from pursuing so-called charlatans, or 'loose' women. Of course going against the grain of society has historically lead to distancing behavior (e.g., 'cheaters' or those who run amuck over society's conventions and rules would often find themselves ostracized and left to their own device).

I digress. Women are not all the same. While we still live in a largely patriarchal society, gender lines are becoming blurred and in many ways androgenous behaviors are changing the way in which the sexes frame things. We live in a society of abundance, most of living well beyond our means (the average person has a far greater quality of life than even to which was afforded to elite of the past).

That said, some women were brought up with the notion that men are the providers, whereas others take to more egalitarian roles where neither partner is more the provider than the other, rather that both provide for each other (quid pro quo). I know some women who insist on paying for themselves on first dates, while others believe if the guy doesn't pay he isn't all that interested in her (which may mean to her that he's not willing to 'provide' for her). There's nothing AFC about paying for a date, if that's what you want to do. The AFC does things out of a sense of obligation as approval-seeking behavior. In other words, its not so much the behavior that's off-putting, but rather the motive behind it (which incidentally many women pickup on).


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:17 am 
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So tell me, for how long have you been smoking the crack pipe?
I don't get it. You have a lot of great, constructive posts.. but then you also tend to troll / insult people you disagree with. It doesn't make for constructive dialogue (and it's against the forum rules, specifically rule 2). Also, going off on tangents about evolutionary / psychological roots of what should be acceptable relationship advice isn't actually helping anybody.

I know you disagree with some of the advice I give on this forum, but I don't give that advice because I believe in evolutionary psychology or because of the outcome of scientific studies. I give advice based on what I've tried and what has worked for me. Yes, sometimes I use some theory to attempt to describe why I think certain things work (i.e. lover vs. provider), and, sure, some of the theories could be wrong. However, the bottom line is that the advice worked for me and will probably work for a lot of other guys.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:56 am 
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I give advice based on what I've tried and what has worked for me. Yes, sometimes I use some theory to attempt to describe why I think certain things work (i.e. lover vs. provider), and, sure, some of the theories could be wrong. However, the bottom line is that the advice worked for me and will probably work for a lot of other guys.
I'm curious. I occasionally run into Lover-Provider Frame Theory discussions in this forum but I'm not seeing any applied techniques at all in those discussions save for vague descriptions.

So far, the only isolation technique that works for me which doesn't require me to spend one single dime goes something like this (I live near a church):

Me: Let's go to church.
Girl: It's closed, duh. It's 9:00 p.m.
Me: I know. Let's say our hallelujahs at the dark corners.

Other than that, the rest of my isolation techniques require me to spend something on drinks or food, or both. I would greatly appreciate it if you can share some except for those, "Let's get some fresh air," "I'll introduce you to my roommate just promise me you won't laugh," "I want to show you my Blu Ray discs collection," routines. Those don't work (at least for me).

"Let's watch some porn," needs some soda and nachos so that doesn't count. I"m cautious with STIs too so Clozer's style doesn't fit my game plan.

Thanks in advance for any Lover-Provider Frame Theory isolation techniques.

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