Ethical sarging question, but long story first



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:48 pm 
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This past saturday night Slurms and I decided to do some club sarging, but not too serious because we are both very new to seduction.

At the club I'm following behind one of my roommates who is 6'8" (I do this a lot because so many girls look up at him in amazment and it always gives me an easy chance for an opener) and a HB8 stops him to ask the usual "how tall are you? do you play basketball?" Her friend HB8+ with a smokin' body is standing by herself so I slowly approach (as I said before, I'm new and I still get major nerves when approaching a girl) I small talk with her for a couple of minutes and couldn't rummage up a neg or DHV, very disappointing. She starts talking to some other guy, so as I learned, I ignored her and started talking to the other girl and my tall friend. We do some Jag bombs and then we split. Lame.

I end up walking by the two of them a couple of times later and I completely ignored them and on top of that made sure I was standing up straight and confident with a big smile on my face, showing them I was having more fun than they were.

We meet one more time, this time on the dance floor and they seemed more interested as they were being a little flirtsy (HB8 was shining these little LED lights strapped to her fingers at me. She looked like she was at a rave, I later found out that she used to be a club dancer, you know those girls that get paid to dance on tables at clubs).

Music stops, party over. Tall guy kept telling me that he was going to try and get the HB8's number, this amazed me not only because he has a hot girlfriend but because, like me, he's got no game. He wusses out. Minutes later we're getting our coats and I tell him I'm gonna go number close, trying to boost my own confidence I guess. I go stand next to HB8 and pull out my cell phone. I guess she could read me because she grabs my phone out of my hands and starts punching in numbers. Needless to say I was a little flummoxed, because I kinda mumbled out "yeah you should put yer number in there" What a dumb-ass! What was I thinking, was she calling her friend! she hits send... waits a few seconds... looks at me and puts her hand down by her pocket and with a delighted voice says "ooooo vibration." IOI Big Time!!!!

As we're walking out I tell them that we're going to get something to eat and they didn't hesitate to say that they would join us. They had driven and had a small car so they were going to drive and we were going to cab it. before we split apart HB8 asks me to come with them. No brainer.

Here's where the story gets interesting. As we're strolling towards her car she looks at me and says in an obvious tone, "You know we're both married right?" I tried to not act surprised, but I'm sure my mug was riddled with confusion. "Ah, no I didn't" I said chuckling a little, and before she could say anything else I exclaimed "It doesn't really matter does it, we're just going to get some food." They definitely liked that response.

In the car HB8+ gets on the phone and they tell me not to say a word, gee I wonder who she's calling. "Hi honey, I'm safe, Blah, Blah, Blah..." As she's talking I reached from the back seat and grabbed Ravegirl's hand (I'm sick of calling her HB8), of course to check out the rock and to practice some Keno. There it was in all its massive glory, how did I not spot this earlier? Obviously I haven't trained myself to spot these red flags yet. She was enjoying herself so much she started stroking my hand and whispering to me, nothing crazy or sexy, but an IOI none the less.

Hotbod gets off the phone and I make a comment about them being married. "Oh... well, we're not married yet, we're engaged." Yes, confusion was setting in again. I decided to change the subject and minutes later we arrived at the diner.

In Neil Strauss' "The Game" he talks about building rapport with women by taking them on an instant date, i.e. leaving the bar and getting something to eat. Strauss tells a story where he and Mystery have an instant date and he claimed that it went well and it felt as though they had known each other their whole lives. I believe it took three venues to accomplish this feat.

As in Styles story, we too had a great time, and it affirms Jugglers claim: Laughter is the best seduction. Why do I say seduction, I just found out these two women are engaged. Because during our hour long conversation Ravegirl says,"Blah blah blah my fiance, blah blah blah and that's why I'm trying to break it off." Game on! Ravegirl later reaffirmed to Hotbod that I had the same name as her fiance, she then looks at me and says, "So, can I call you asshole then?" Obviously her relationship is a little rocky as well.

By the end of our meal Hotbod was literally falling asleep next to me, so I figured I had little chance with her. I wished I had been on the other side of the booth so I could have flirted with Ravegirl a little more. Either way we left and they drove tallguy and myself home. I pointed out our house and instead of stopping in the middle of the road to let us out, she pulls into a parking spot, and like a dumbass I say something like,"Oh you're parking." Tallguy immediately cuts me off and says,"would you like to come in and sober up." It had been almost two hours since we last had a drink and she was already driving. She was easily okay to drive. "Good idea" She says. IOI

Slurms spins some hot tracks on the turntables and Ravegirl shows us some of her dance moves. HOT!!! She's doing this move on her knees sliding them in and out, ass up and down, I couldn't help but visualize her riding me.

But there were two things wrong with the situation: First, there were too many roommates present, tallguy has a girlfriend and was smart enough to realize what was going down so he left and went to bed, sadly no one else did, and at this point there's only one girl, because Hotbod passed out the minute she sat down. Four guys, one girl, not good odds.

I had told Slurms a few days earlier that I wanted to kiss-close a girl to this Grover Washington album we had just bought, and here was my chance, because of course he remembered my wish. It didn't happen though. Too many roommates around made it awkward, this was not the first time my roommates cockblocked me, but that's another story.

We walked them to their car, said goodbye and that's the end, I promise. I did not think this story was going to take this long, I apologise.

So here's my question. After everything that happened that night, was she just looking to get laid, did I miss an easy opportunity? Would it have been wrong of me to F-close? Finally, what's the overall feeling in the seduction community about sarging married or engaged women? I read somewhere hear that it's either immoral or not worth sarging a woman who's been in a relationship for more than six months.

That said, she sent me a couple text messages the next day asking if I wanted to hang out. Fortunitely or unfortunitely I had to bartend all night so I was unable to, but I'm sure I'll get another opportunity.

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Slippery


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Her relationship is breaking anyways, why should you pass up a lay when you know shell just go to the next guy instead.

Its a nobrainer.


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You're probably right, I just have this thing about homewrecking. Some women need validation and attention, maybe she had a little fight and this is how she makes herself feel better.


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If thats how she goes about it, let her. Honestly, if shes gonna go out and screw a guy every time her hubbie doesnt do the dishes, that relationship is better off being broken. Cause as dr. phil says: "thats fuckin crazy, bitch".


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So here's my question. After everything that happened that night, was she just looking to get laid, did I miss an easy opportunity? Would it have been wrong of me to F-close? Finally, what's the overall feeling in the seduction community about sarging married or engaged women? I read somewhere hear that it's either immoral or not worth sarging a woman who's been in a relationship for more than six months.

That said, she sent me a couple text messages the next day asking if I wanted to hang out. Fortunitely or unfortunitely I had to bartend all night so I was unable to, but I'm sure I'll get another opportunity.
Alright, first off all, you didn't isolate her. You didn't pull of the trigger! yo didn't calibrate well at all. You fuckt up alot! she was in the house man!

You could've offered her a tour around, or something, isolate man.. common.

i won't go into too much detail and tell you off hard core! because believe me im just exploding to do so! So therefor ill keep it short and sweet.

She gave you another IOI by wanting to hang with you! Now can you please do us all a favor and isolate this girl, take her out, demonstrate some value, have some fun and have sex with her already.

When you demonstrate value, keep it simple, they don't come across ass the smartest types of girls.

The fact that you were working and laid her off wasn't a bad thing, that says to her, hes a busy guy, he knows his values and things, and i have to find a way into his schedule. So not all bad! just gotta finish your AFC ness now and start acting more alpha!

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