Same thing happened with another girl. She never picks up the phone when I call her because I texted her first.

She agreed ok Sunday to meet up with me tonight and of course today when I say we are gonna meet up at 7 she says she's working. Then I say it's whatever we could meet up when she gets out. Then she gives this winner right here: "idk I gotta run after work"

Girls are downright despicable, weak-minded creatures. I cannot respect them when shit like this goes on. Whenever they flake like this, I lose all respect for them as a person. They are nothing more than fools who won't amount to anything.

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How long do you spend with a girl before getting her number? You're probably not building up enough of a connection with girls before you number close, so when you get in touch, you're not memorable enough (remember if she's hot she will have a bunch of guys contacting her). You're also not approaching enough, it's a numbers game, spread yourself out more. Don't put all your eggs in only a few baskets. If you build rapport correctly, she will be excited to hear from you. If she's making excuses more than 3 or 4 times, she's just not into you, cut her loose and stop being outcome dependent. If you get emotionally affected every time you get flakes it will harm your future game. Get used to rejection and embrace it. See rejection or flakes as an elimination process, i.e. every girl who rejects me gets me closer to the kind of girl I want. Open heart surgeons wouldn't be able to do their job if they were scared of all the blood. Same with pickup, you need to stay calm and cool no matter whether you get rejected or end up in bed with 2 smoking hot babes.

It's not that I get emotionally attached to them. There downright weakness and cowardice disgusts me. They ruin their chances of fun by being foolish little cowards. The fact that women have that weakness makes me so much less attracted to them. I hate that our game is to coerce these little, timid, wide-eyed kittens out of their comfortable little spot under the couch.

I want to meet someone who can be my equal. Someone who is as exploratory as me. How can I be attracted to weak females? And if you say that's why you have to look for the strong ones, you'd be missing the point that the only girls you can get out without flaking are those you have properly coerced with your colorful ball of yarn with enough gentle, precise movements and patience. They don't come out because they are strong and confident.

Since females are inherently so weak and cowardly when it comes to relations with men, it means they are truly inferior creatures that are to be exploited rather than enjoyed as equals.

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Whatever the case, you are clearly pissed off about this. Being in that angry state is not going to help you get girls to stop flaking.

It's a dangerous place to be in to blame girls for everything. Once you become a woman hater, you won't do anything to change yourself. I know some girls never go on dates during the working week so just see them on weekends.


True strength is recognising your weaknesses and fixing them, not the stubborn unchangeable dude.

" if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got". You cant just keep doing the same thing and expect to get different results

I understand and acknowledge that I have to adapt myself to succeed with women. That isn't what I'm talking about.

What I'm really upset about is that Even if I do adapt and succeed with women, I will only be exploiting them. I will be using them for fun but I will never be able to respect them as equals. I will be skilled at seducing weak minded and feeble minded creatures. They aren't equal.

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No relationship between a man and a woman is ever 50% / 50% equal, I would argue equality is boring in the long term (I was married 5 years and I can tell you it got boring). The game playing, the drama , the fun, the push/pull is all part of the thrill. If pickup was easy, every guy you meet would have 100 girlfriends and every girl would jump into bed with you on the first date and never flake on you. If everything went your way, you wouldn't be happy. The reason we feel happy when we finally lay a girl we've been working on for a while is because she seemed scarce and because we can compare that feeling with the shitty feeling of dry spells and sleeping alone. You have to go through the lows to fully enjoy the highs.

The only high that I get out of a woman is the sense of accomplishment after conquering her. Just like how you beat a stage in super Mario brothers. There's nothing special or more advanced between a man and woman. It's simply a game men can play to see if they can nail a girl and then it's a game of how long you can hold her interest. Conquer and endure. I'm never getting married. I'm just going to improve at pickup and play the game to rack up notches on my belt. Monogamy is a myth.

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There are a ton of different things that can be going on here.

When she said she had to shower, maybe she wanted you to say something back sexual. I don't recommend it but a small amount of girls will go for the guy who makes a sexual come back right there.

She may have found another option for that time frame and changed her mind about you. Maybe another guy, maybe a girlfriend, maybe she got caught up in something else.

she may be wanting to see how you will react to her saying she went to sleep. I doubt she went to sleep but it's possible. Maybe she wants to see if you will get mad. Maybe she wants you to be mad and that will attract her more. Maybe its a test to rule you out if you do get mad.

How much time is going back from her text telling you she went to sleep and your reply? if it was within a minute or 2, that's usually not good b/c it makes you look too needy.

You keep asking for her address but she may not want you to know where she lives yet and she doesn't want to admit it.

I agree with someone else, you seem to have anger issues that will turn most women off. Some will be in to it, most won't.

These are some common possibilities.

I never get angry at the women. They never see how much of a piece of shit I think they are. I put on a good understanding face and make it seem like their stupidity didn't affect me. I don't know how to tell when a girl is testing and what she wants to hear. I cannot take them seriously because of how insolent and weak they are.

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I think you should work on your attitude. you posted this almost 3 weeks ago and you still seem angry over it. I will tell you like I tell everyone else. When you are posting about one woman, and all your focus is on one woman, you are usually going to fail unless it's a woman no one else wants. You also referenced mario brothers video games. I would try to stay away from comparing women to a video game.

Women really aren't pieces of shit like you say. They have all the pussy and they know how to play their options. You thinking they are pieces of shit won't get you laid or help your text game.

Trust me bro, women have a 6th sense about your emotions. Nearly every girl I've gotten intimate with has astonished me one way or another with their perception about my emotions/thoughts. Even when we consciously try not portray frustration, our subconscious usually gives us away.

Point is, if it's in your head, it may as well be on the table like an open book for many women. Being flaked out on SUCKS balls, no doubt. But part of this game we're playing is accepting that this is just a reality with women and being prepared to deal with it. So it seems to me you need to develop that part of yourself that can allow this to wash over you meaninglessly because you know you have high value and other things you can be doing.

There are two things I do now when a chick flakes... 1) I say to myself 'thanks for freeing up my time', and 2) I do NOT contact the bitch. No need to reward shitty behavior. If a girl flakes on me she doesn't deserve me.

Thanks for starting this thread. You can tell by the number of replies that you've opened a can of worms here and I've enjoyed reading everyone's responses. Happy gaming.

@Eerie You fundamentally misunderstand the female psyche. Biologically they are weaker than men, so they are psychologically wired to be defensive. It's a survival mechanism. I hear a lot of complaints from guys saying they wish women would just 'say what they mean' and be more direct. But you have to understand that women are naturally going to be indirect when they reject or flake on a guy because as you have proven, they know a man's ego can be fragile. Because of this, they are the masters at letting a guy down gently. Its not in their nature to say "Look, I just don't find you attractive, ok??" because they fear the guy will take it badly and they won't be able to handle his reaction. Fear of being beaten or raped is common. This is why they came up with 'softer' indirect alternatives such as "LJBF" (= I want to slowly phase you out of my life), repeatedly saying "I'm really busy right now" (= I'm just not that into you) or "I'm not looking for a relationship" etc. (= I'm looking for a relationship, just not with you).

Men keep things simple; we say what we mean and we mean what we say. We are more blunt with our intentions. Women are emotional creatures, very sensitive to the fragile male ego, so they make shit up (weak excuses) so that we can pretend we're still "the man". We are pathetic really, when you put it that way. What you are calling "weak" behaviour in women is actually a very sensible self-preserving instinct that has helped the human race survive as long as it has.

So what would you say is the proper reaction both psychologically and practically? Is it to blame it on faults in my game? What are the proper steps to take to ensure this doesn't happen? What is the proper way to treat a girl when she feeds a bullshit flake excuse?

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From reading your other posts, I think you have the tendency to push too hard too soon. Just relax and girls will feel more comfortable. Don't push hard for her home address, this is key. The last thing a girl wants is a stalker who thinks women are worthless. Not saying you are a stalker, but why should a girl who doesn't know you trust you with her address?

Instead of intense 1-on-1 dates, just go for "casual hangs" such as "I'll be at Bar X on Friday if you care to join me?". Keep it cool, relaxed. Don't give her an excuse to say no basically. Once she knows you're a cool guy and you don't give a fuck if she shows up or not, she will let her guard down and you can physically escalate and be more aggressive in person.

The first flake I mentioned was with a girl I know from a while back and I always try to ease it in. The reason I asked her address is because she doesn't have a car and would need a ride. Idk how else I could've gotten around it.

Is the key to everything just moderately treating them like shit? As if they don't matter one bit? Idk how to deal with it.

I meet girls in bars and we only get a short time to talk. Maybe 30mins if I'm lucky and then I bounce around to come back to DHV and kino and escalate. Then I get the number. I feel like I can't do much more when we meet in person. The phone game after is a brick wall for me.

The most recent case I was able to succeed because I told the girl at the bar that I do not text at all. I called her a couple days later to set up a date. She agreed and to confirm I also called. I NEVER text this girl at all and things are going very well with her. I wrote another thread here talking about how I'm never going to text again. I think I'll do well with this strategy. I'm one for one so far but it worked very well.

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