YES

Summary - The health and fitness subforum shouldn't be shoved into the bottom of the main page. Make that chit prominent in your life bro, and the bishes will flow.

I see a lot of questions on whether "fitness/looks really matters". They are NOT of paramount importance, but they definitely DO matter. Sure, if you're a suave casanova then you can get away with being skinny/overweight, and probably do better then dumb jocks. But 90-99% of the people reading this are not (neither am I), and you could get the results of one much easier WITH that kick ass body.

I've nailed 7-9's while being stoned (pot makes me quiet and sometimes incoherent, and I know my eyes are bloodshot so I avoid eye contact) purely because I'm lean at 195 lbs, even when my life was a complete wreck. There were times I'd have attractive professionals coming over to my place, fucking, and leaving and it was predicated on my looks, not my game.

If you're afraid to go to the gym because you're moving small weights, and you think big dudes are judging you (we're only judging your form), how are you not afraid to approach women?

I can't post links, but if you guys change your diet and exercise habits for 6 months and are CONSISTENT, a new person could be staring at you in the mirror come 2014. Go over to the bodybuilding forums, and search the stickies in the workout program forums and nutrition forums.

If one person follows my advice, then this is worth it.

_________________
We're all gonna make it, brah

This is 100% wrong dude. I have plenty of students who are "muscular" and good looking and can't get a girl for shit... If your personality sucks, your appearance doesn't matter.

It helps. I would recommend lifting to everyone. However, it is hardly a requirement, and many girls are actually not into the muscular look.

_________________
http://www.joshsway.com -- dating, online dating, fitness, fashion, and more...

Yep, I do.

What if you are muscular and your game is rock solid?

I bet he will be the winner, compared to the avg. looking guy.

Sure fat pimply bald guys, or any guy for that matter can be good with women.

Why? Because they have confidence.

But is that the guy you "want" to be? I doubt it.

However if your confidence is lacking, working out, IS a great place to start.

Weight training changed my level of confidence by leaps and bounds.

The mental aspect is perhaps the most overlooked benefit of weight training. On day one, expect increased tranquility and energy, less stress and a more cheerful attitude. More important, you will experience a dramatic rise in self-confidence and a feeling of accomplishment.

The first month builds confidence. Just by seeing your own improvement in endurance and ability.

By week eight, you'll notice changes in your body, especially around your waist. (good by beer gut!)

Regular weight training increases muscle mass, metabolic rate and bone density. It also reduces blood pressure, arthritic pain and low back pain. Additionally, it relieves depression and improves blood lipid levels, glucose metabolism, sleep quality, digestive transit time, heart strength and lung function. AND SEX DRIVE!
And as you age, weight training becomes more important.

But don't do it solely for the purpose of banging bitches, do it for you!

Through weight training and diet, you can sculpt your body into anything you desire.

The confidence you gain from that is immeasurable.

I cannot tell you how many women of all ages have asked to feel my chest/arms, or done so without permission LOL.

It's not for everyone, it's for those dedicated to self improvement.

_________________
They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

Come on man...

There is a HUGE difference between the muscular alpha man and the tiny alpha man. The alpha sterotype fits the muscular man, that is the difference. Muscles are not necessary, but we all know, that pick up is all about details. It will matter. There is absolut no reason for, why a girl would pick the alpha tiny man, it just doesnt make sense.

Pump it.

Like Heywood said dude... It's about how good you feel with yourself

I think you misunderstood him. He's saying that being muscular makes it easier to get laid. I think that's entirely true. Nobody says that just being muscular means girls will jump on your dick, but a nice body/appearance is a huge advantage, no matter what people say.
I can draw an analogy with women.
Men in general like large boobs on women.
If there are two otherwise identical HBs, one with perky C or D cups, and one with A cups, 99% of men will choose the D cups, every time.
Granted, only fetishists want a girl with G or H cups, but to a point (around D for most men), bigger is better.
Same goes for muscularity in men. Being muscular to a point (~6-8%bf at up to a BMI of ~27) will always win out versus the same exact person but skinnyfat (the most common build in skinny men).
Here's the qualifier:
A girl with A cups and a otherwise model body will be chosen over the 300lb landwhale with perfect D cups by 99% of men, every time.
Same goes for muscular men. A muscular asspie will not be getting laid, because he's a weirdo, but it doesn't mean that muscles would not give him an edge over someone who's just as weird as him.

Yeah, I agree that women can respond to purely physical attraction. Being healthy looking is an attraction switch. However, not ALL guys that are muscular will be getting laid. I have seen dudes with big muscles that absolutely suck ass with girls. I do agree that you get a few points for being fit but you still have to have the right mindset. Guys who solely work out just for the chicks will be setting themselves up for failure. I can't count how many times a dude with muscles got pissed when I had a girl wrapped around my finger when I was half the size he was lol.


Confidence + healthy look + decent- solid game= You good.

_________________
~ASmooth

First of all, I've never met an HB that doesn't like it when guys are muscular, or any girl for that matter. and second, if you have bigger muscles girls will always want to feel your arms and your abs and all that stuff. As I've been building more muscle, that's definitely happened to me 25x more.

so a lean brad bitt versus the rock. women are gonna go for the rock? a handsome face is not as important as muscles for a man i assume

Looks don't matter. Muscle doesn't matter. Money doesn't matter.

Dwyane Johnson (The Rock) is actually a very "alpha" guy... Not just his character but him as a person. Look at his life and check out his story... It's actually very interesting and he offers a good example of what to live by. He was dead broke and had nothing. Relied on what he knew to make something of himself.

yea i should check out his story. i was just trying to look for an example, maybe it wasn't a good one. i was trying to compare a muscular man and a handsome man.

Yeah the rock wins every time. I reccomend listening to this guy speak. Excellent speaker. He really knows how to work a crowd.