I was out at the campus pub and I opened a mixed set with my wing. At first I talked with everyone in the set while completely ignoring my target (HB9). Then when HB9 spoke I negged her by saying "Jeez I'm talking now" and then turning to her friends with a smile and saying "Is she always like this?" They all smiled/laughed/responded as you would expect, but HB9 immediately turned away from me and sat facing the bar without so much as a word. No matter what I did after that (DHV, C+F etc) she completely ignored me, even though everyone else in the group was eating out of the palm of my hand. At one point when everyone else in the group were talking with my wing and amongst themselves I sat beside HB9 facing the same direction. I tried to open again and she responded with "As soon a guy negs me I'm not interested". I was shocked she called me out, using the word "neg" no less, but I kept my cool and played dumb: "Huh? What's a neg?" She rolled her eyes and said "Either you are pretending to play dumb to save face, or you really don't know what a neg is, and if that's the case, it was actually an insult, and I have no interest in a guy who insults me either."

After that she went back to ignoring me. More negging, DHV'ing, C+F, preselection/trying to make her jealous (etc) elicited a NO response from her, vebal or physical. For the rest of the night, she sat at the bar facing away and playing on her phone, not even looking up. The girls from the set were all over me and throwing me IOI's left and right, and the guys were laughing at my jokes and swapping stories with me and my wing. Her friends even called her a wet blanket but instead of trying to qualify herself she just rolled her eyes at them and told them nicely to shut up. I have never had this happen before, both being called out for using a neg with the word "neg" and having a girl completely ignore me even after I have tried every PUA trick I know, including having all of her friends on my side. I guess I am looking for advice as to how to respond if this happens again, and what I can do differently in this situation next time. Thanks in advance.

p.s. If I happen to see this girl at the pub or around campus again, should I approach her again (and if so how?) or should I just leave it alone?

Well i am gPUA and this has never been fieldtested so i cant guarantee it will work but in essence, if you are busted there is no point denying, you are just making yourself look worse, i guess that the right response would be something like "Oh, you know about that? So i negged you and you freezed out to punish me for it, gg. All in a playful manner. As Keisha said throw a spanner in her wheels, don't follow routine you are predictable. If she asks you what a gg is explain that it is an acronym used online as a sign of respect when somebody put up a good fight(often thrown out by a loosing party to complement their opponents superior play or by winners to pay respects to worthy adversary). And voila you complimented her on something other than her looks and made her feel special, welcome A3.

"I have no interest in a guy who insults me either."

"You were rude, I would be a wuss if I didn't call you on it"

Thanks for the advice man. That is really solid. I am not very good at thinking quick on my feet but I will definitely try to improvise more and not just follow routines. It was difficult and I was thrown for a loop because even though I was playful with her friends and tried multiple ways to re-engage her once I negged she completely shut down. I even tried complimenting her (on things other than looks) and got nothing. Mind you, my compliment wasn't as good as what you posted above.
Are you saying that I was rude or that she was? I can see how I came across as rude with the neg, but she definitely wasn't when I first engaged the group. I was engaging them in a group conversation and she jumped in, and I negged her because I wanted to still be in control of the frame and show that she wasn't the center of attention. I didn't neg her because she was bitchy or had a rude because she certainly wasn't. So me telling her that she was rude (in this case) would have only aggravated the situation further and I also might have lost control of the frame.

The more I have thought about it, the more I want to approach her again if I see her and take another crack at it. But I am afraid of making a fool of myself and don't even know where to start. Thanks again for the advice.

If you want to approach her now i can see no other way then trying an apology, it is not very alpha but i can see no other approach working. Tell her how you were insecure and lonely(hey we all come from there) so you started to practice the game to not be so awkward around ppl, it takes courage to step out like that and hopefully she will recognize that, she seems to have some brains in her pretty little head. The way i see it she did not call you out because you were rude but because you were pulling one on her, if you explain why you did it then maybe she will forgive you.

Don't do this. Don't apologize. Also, come up with your own negs. The whole "is she always like this" is one of the oldest, and most well known. If a girl interrupts you, you really don't need to "neg" her, just stare at her with a blank expression. Say "Rude" and continue with what you were saying.

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Geez man she is on to him, any alpha stuff he does now will look like an act and will have zero impact. Only thing she wont expect is for him to apologize since it is such a no no in the community. Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.

Interesting. How would you suggest I react if she didn't interrupt me (like how this girl didn't interrupt me)? I only negged her because she came into the group conversation, not by interrupting me though, and I wanted to show her that it was my frame and she couldn't just take over and be the center of attention.

And I appreciate all the advice and tips for what to do if I see her again. Definitely lots to think about there.

The way i see it negs are a scalpel not an axe, i tried to use them that way once and i was flushed out of the set in less then 30 seconds.

When Mystery was making his method he was walking among uptight models full of themselves, they were too high so he had to knock them down, even the playing field. Not all of the fields are equal tough, in my own country negging has little to no effect, because girls actually get more insults then compliments from an AFC, they are used to it and will get offended. Negs definitely have their use if you have to even the playing field but if the playing field is equal or she feels down(easily possible considering that today men have no guts to approach and she is actually starving for attention) then throwing a neg can be counterproductive. Again it all depends on the playing field, if you are sarging in a bar where hot attention seeking girls are constantly trying to outdo each other in beauty and are being hit on all the time, then by all means use negs, but using them as a cure for all seems somewhat counterproductive.

It was her who was rude, you did the right thing in knocking her down. By her childish reply she automatically disqualified herself from your interest. Her loss, there are millions of hotties out there

At this point, I guess you would have to just be honest about the game. You can't blow your composure and start apologizing, or seem like your trying too hard to get her attention back. Either way though, this is a tough point to come back from.

However, it would be more ideal to avoid ever getting to this situation. PUA's approach more girls than any AFC's, its what we practice. SO, there are bound to be girls everywhere that have heard the routine. The idea is to make it less of a scripted routine, and more of your own words loosely formulated around the script.

You don't need to demonstrate a frame, just live the frame. If your frame is you are in charge, then be in charge. You don't need any line or any technique just do it. Lead the group, don't take any shit, know what you want, and don't be afraid to make it known.



ddos--"Geez man she is on to him, any alpha stuff he does now will look like an act and will have zero impact. Only thing she wont expect is for him to apologize since it is such a no no in the community. Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."

I'm not saying for THIS girl. I'm saying for women in general. You blew it on this girl, move on.

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You don't have to qualify your study of game for her. I didn't think it was rude (it was unoriginal, but whatevs) - and if she can't be lighthearted about a little thing like that, she probably isn't worth the trouble.

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At this point just move oneyou lost her move to another target before the entire set closes