I think it your problem is in the importance you attach to number closing. Getting a girl's number doesn't mean that much. Especially now phone numbers are often all over Facebook, getting a number sometimes doesn't mean jack shit. So how did you get these flaking girls' numbers? Put yourself in their shoes: were you memorable and interesting enough to meet again? The answer, so far, appears to be no. I recommend you make the girl invest more time and energy in their interaction with you. If they are invested, they want to meet you, and if they want to meet you, they will not flake.
Hahaha, you completely missed the point there didn't you

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How do you get that "investment" from them? I feel like I have great interactions when I N close. I'm aggressive and confident. I kino well and my eye contact is unmatched. What else is there to do?

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Why go for the number if a set is going well?
You don't need the N if you can give her the D.

How long do you talk to a girl before number closing?

If you escalated correctly, she will often offer her number without you needing to ask for it.

They invest if they do something for you, e.g. telling an entertaining story, dancing with you, sharing a secret, buying you a drink, etc. You might be focusing to much on getting phone numbers. Do not make getting a number a goal in itself, your goal should be to have a fun time with these girls.

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It happens the same to me, and have experienced the same level of frustration. What I've realized and still can't fix is that I build almost nothing of rapport and also always phone close.
Now, looking your post it comes something to me: The concept of phone close should not exist, I mean, getting the phone and leaving? It looks like you made a bet with your friends and have to get her number to earn 10 bucks. Remembering the feq girls who haven't flaked, I never phone closed them, always got their phones in the middle of the conversation or after good bye (not as a close) and after chatting for at least 20 minutes, that is, real conversation not canned material.
Thanks for posting this, is making me think. I repeat I'm in the same situation, almost every girl I meet flakes sooner or later. What I'm doing now is to work in my life, do things I enjoy and could set me in situations to meet girls, but I'm working on me, not looking to f**k the next hb I see, just trying to be happy and avoiding going mad, depressed or suicidal.
My suggestion to you, take a break, do some excercise for fun, play an instrument, rest, take some distance to analize and then return with more solutions in your head.

Uuuff! That was kinda an exsorcism to me

Exactly. Well put.

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Well we need to get the number to have a shot at a day two. Without it that doesn't happen.

Here's my new situation. I was at the bar and met a girl there. I qualified and escalated kino hard. Got a couple I closes with her. I was funny and she was with me for almost the whole night. She left her friends and we talked for a long while. Hand holding and arms around me. I role played jokingly a few times saying that she was already my girlfriend. I got her number and told her I don't like to text and that I'd call her to go out this week. She seemed to like the idea of calling only. She said she loved the idea. I guess I should wait the customary day or two before I call her. Maybe I'll do it tomorrow.

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Not really. You can say something like "hey we should go to this place next Saturday."

Also, I've never tried it but here's a tip... Try reverse psychology by saying something like "yeah I like you but I'll probably not see you again." It'll make her wonder why. It's also a way of pulling... Which I'm guessing is probably your problem. You're doing too much pushing, not enough pulling.

Has anyone here ever flaked on a girl? Sometimes I organise day 2's with girls and then it gets to the meetup time and I just don't feel like meeting up. It happens to me for a number of reasons:

1. The girl is too needy
2. You're just not that attracted to them
3. You feel that you should let them go before you lead them on
4. Another HB messages
5. You are feeling sick or tired

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You have to have a game plan before you approach but your frame has to be loose and it has to look like you dont have an motive to talk to them but rather just having fun. I think the best way is to take something a girl says after you ask them a question and keep rolling with it. DHV///DLV escalate based on IOIs or IODs. It is acting for 10 seconds, so you can get 1 minute, so you can get 10 minutes, etc... Once you hit 15+ minutes and escalated properly, If you just hand them your phone with proper body language theyll get the point. No need to ask!

Confidence and eye contact is great. I imagine you need to DHV more.. What kind of stories do you tell? Do you DLV or neg? When she shows you IOIs what do you say?

I got the same problem and i know what it is(been searching for answers for a long time).

1)You dont game other girls, so you give her too much attention and you think too much about her. She feels that and that will reduce your chance alot.
2)You switch frame. You go from Alpha/Beta/Charlie and so on. She feels that and ofcourse, its a major turn off, because your personality is fake and unstable.
3)Nobody can avoid flakes. Nomatter who you are, girls will flake. BUT, you can reduce the chances. No girl have ever flaked on me, if i called her out. But 1/3 of girls flaked on me, if i used text message.
4)She may like you and want to see you. Actually, girls takes a nap, when they are too nervous. Flake is sometimes nothing to do with you. Calling her out, will help her as she wont be that nervous after a conversation.

Thats what i found so far.

I really don't plan anything out. I don't have routines to DHV at all. I just go in and wing it. I go straight to qualify and then I find something to pick on if I'm lucky. I throw humor in when I can. It's mostly just qualifying what I do. I don't do routines idk any.

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1.) do not be picking women up, you are not their valet or escort. That lowers your value and makes you seem like the servant. You must be equals, they can meet you out.

2.) Give them a little more notice than you gave her, but no more than 24-48 hours. Women are extremely flakey and unreliable creatures. This comes from the psychological weaknesses. Too short of notice means shes gonna be scrambling to get ready, put her makeup on and get dolled up, get stressed out, and may be late or just get insecure and blow you off. Too much notice means she will be going over it in her head building up the pressure she puts herself on and again may flake. So here you gave too short of notice and she couldnt get ready fast enough and flaked out on you, next time give more notice, just not more than 2 days.

3.) Give them a definitive time and place to meet you, and expect that they may be late or not show up, and make sure she confirms.

4.) Because she may flake, or be late, make sure that you are going to be entertained yourself while you are there. Its good to go to a place where you can talk to other people there, or do stuff on your own, or go out with friends and just invite her along.

Good luck, and let me know if you have any questions or need anything.

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This is good man. You are getting to the point where you are fed up with this shit. This is actually a very natural part of the process of getting good with women. You get a shitload of numbers but all flakes. You being angry is perfectly normal, let it all the fuck out.

After that, revise your game. Realize that this is the way things are and this is why game exists, because of all these contingencies. Yes girls are the submissive part of the the relationship almost all of the time (unless you have some feminist dominatrix, but even then, subconsciously she is submissive) and this also means that she is "weaker" psychologically than men. Not all women mind you, but most, especially young girls.

They don't know what they want and they are usually very emotional. Tyler calls it "living in the emotion of the moment". What has to happen is you to remain confident, aggressive, touchy feely, but also build a deeper connection. Let her know through your intent that you like her, through your subcommunications. This way she knows what's up and can make up her mind. Read up more about these sort of contingencies and you will be getting your game wrapped up sooner rather than later.