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What would you like to know GKS? I thought I was pretty clear what my intent was here with this back and forth, to emphasize to those who need help and those aspiring PUAs who want to try online dating to go for it and that it will be beneficial to them. That is why I continue to insist that I am right and majikal is wrong, even though he may have been on this forum longer. (Though I am pretty sure I have been at this longer than him)
I get majikals point of view, believe it or not, that going out and actually kicking game is the key. I know. I have f-closed countless women (well over 100 if i had to guess, stopped counting a while ago), most of those actually from live game, and usually in one to two dates or encounters max. I only got there by being rejected probably 10x that much and learning and refining my game, and for me, online game helped tremendously in my live game as well. It allowed me to get more experience with women (via the actual meetup), meet different types of women, and develop skills that translate very effectively into planned situations (e.g. text game) etc. etc. not to mention meeting, hooking up with, and dating even more hot women. It would be a real fucking shame for aspiring PUAs to not take advantage of the internet to improve their game because majikal is clueless about online game. We use the internet for just about everything, why wouldn't we use it to get laid??
I'll flip this back at you... The same women who you talk to on a dating site are the same women who you walk past in your every day life... Right? There is a search radius setting on a dating site? Within say... 25 or 50 many miles? Am I correct? Yet you say nothing to them when they pass by? Why? Because you are afraid of failing. You are afraid of rejection that comes from approaching and interacting face to face.
It may be a useful tool to get LAID... But you will lack substance in your life because you won't ever experience the rejections that it gives you in the same way. If you message a girl on a dating site, she "checks out your profile" and if she doesn't like what she sees, she never messages you back. You were rejected, yet the rejection doesn't hit you as hard because you are hiding behind your IP address. It's much easier on your ego. It's not as emotionally traumatizing to you. I get that... But like I said, as far as learning anything goes, you have to actually experience the failures that learning something new brings as well as the successes. A guy who just pulls girls off the internet, in my eyes, is not someone who is good with women... It's someone who is good with a QWERTY keyboard.
So explain to me how using internet dating actually improves your skills of interacting with PEOPLE... Because from what I see, the internet has actually destroyed peoples ability to interact face to face with anyone. Fuck, you can even do your grocery shopping through the internet... So where is your incentive to go out and do it? If you simply resort to internet dating for "getting pussy" you will NEVER EXPERIENCE ANYTHING NEW IN LIFE. You are staying in your comfort zone because the rejection scares you. Again, your life will lack substance and depth. When you are on your deathbed, you will have no good stories to tell aside from "the quick one liner that got you some hog off of match.com."
And as far as "how long you've been doing this" doesn't really fucking matter or how long you have been on a forum... I personally know plenty of guys who have been "studying pick-up" for twice as long as I have... and you know what? THEY FUCKING SUCK! They would learn all this theory and routines and maybe try it on a few girls on Facebook or whatever and keep blaming the material when it didn't work. They never actually went out and experienced life the make the theories they learned become reality. I was able to get very good in not exactly a short amount of time.. But I was able to get good because I WENT FUCKING BALLS OUT AND DID IT!! I wanted to fail. I wanted to learn from my failures. I read all these theories and put them to the test because I wanted them to become my reality. And they all work. Anything you think can work, will work.
And what did I get from all that hard work and failing? Some kick ass fucking stories! (pun intended) Yes, I would go on streaks where I would have outrageous amounts of success but I also had times where I kept failing and IT FUCKED WITH MY HEAD!! IT MADE ME STRONGER!! You can't get that from a dating site. I promise you, you will have no good stories about life besides you "go to work, you come home, you eat dinner, you check on your dating site, occasionally you will pull some girl, otherwise you go to sleep and you do it all over again." What kind of life is that?
And guess what? For all the new guys out there... This is a numbers game in the sense that you practice, you fail, you reflect, you adjust, you practice again, you experience some success but not as much as you want, you reflect, you adjust, you practice some more and you repeat to continuously develop. You sitting there on a computer, looking for pussy, you never feel the failures the same way...
Don't be some coward who is looking for a "quick fix" for everything you do and someone afraid to experience anything new or different in life because of the chance that you "might fail." Enjoy yourself and experience new things. Don't live a sheltered lifestyle because its more comfortable.
My rant here is done.
-Majik
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