One thing I've noticed from coaching is that alot of guys try and take on a "suave" type of frame... Thinking they need to act like some pretty boy or James Bond. Here's the harsh truth... YOU'RE NOT FUCKING JAMES BOND! YOU NEVER WILL BE! It is so fake and phony... It will never work. The whole "Hey baby, you are so absolutely beautiful, I just had to come say hi." is so fucking lame. Hate to be the one to burst your stupid little bubble but I like to keep shit real.

Here is the type of frame you want to adapt. BE A FUCKING BOSS! Act like Donald Trump... The guy who has shit the way he wants and if its not the way he wants... "You're fired."

A little story for you, I am a close friend of the guy who owns a pretty big club here in Chicago (known as The Mid) and he has his little section in the back of the club where he sits at and eats and drinks and smokes his electronic cigar at. He has his guy who is a bouncer who walks around the club and fines the HOTTEST girls in the bar, brings them back to his section, he fucks them, tells them to get the fuck out, then the bouncer goes to find the next girl for him. Do you know why they fuck him? I'll tell you... It's not because of his looks... It's because of his STATUS!

Status is what is attractive to women. Period. If you are a man of status, you will have women chasing you. That is why all of your professional athletes, movie stars, rock stars, whoever, work so damn hard to get those big contracts... it really has nothing to do with the money... They want the STATUS. The ability to say that they are one of the biggest, baddest, best mother fuckers around and every woman should be grateful to have his semen injected into her body.

So how do you do this? You act like you are the fucking BOSS. You act like you run a trillion dollar company, a guy who is used to making decisions, judging whether or not people are going to be a part of your company or shoved onto the street like every other Joe Schmo. Treat women like this and they WILL FUCKING FIGHT FOR YOU.

This is something I've recently been doing when I go out to bars and clubs and HOLY FUCK does it work. It kinda came naturally to me as I've been a pretty bossy person lately and demanding alot out of people... otherwise I'm telling them to get the fuck out of my sight. I've told girls to "Fuck off" "Get the fuck out of here" "You're done here!" "You're fired!" "Who the fuck are you?!" "You're a bitch, get out of my face!" literally some MEAN FUCKING SHIT... And as long as you hold onto your frame and know when to back off and make it funny. It fucking WORKS. Treat everyone like you are the 60 year old owner of a Fortune 500 company and you will notice that people will start to treat you like you are. They will immediately fall into your frame.

Bottom line... Don't act like some smooth player cause the truth is, you're not. You can be the boss though as long as you act like it.

Hmm, at the same time, I think a lot of people, certainly I can speak for myself, are more "suave" than to stand there and say "Fuck off" "Get the fuck out of here" "You're done here!" "You're fired!" "Who the fuck are you?!" "You're a bitch, get out of my face!" to women.

And if I heard a man saying that to any woman, I'd go over and tell him to shut the fuck up. Personally, I like to treat all women with respect. That doesn't mean I need to act like James Bond, or try and be suave. It just means that I don't act like a prick. You can have and portray status without coming across as someone who was dragged rather than brought up. Even the "bad guy" types don't get good women if they speak to them like you have done there. They might get some girl who has got no self respect, but the good women would slap you and/or walk off.

While acting like a James Bond is quite a dumb idea, wearing shoes 50 sizes too big is no better. Yes, acting like the boss is a great idea, but when you don't actually own a fortune 500 company or a nobel prize, then its a lot of hollow posturing, and not sustainable by any means. Donald trump has fame, hotels, and well, that's about all. Even so, he's something of a national joke. Most people have pretty much nothing. Walking around and acting like someone they're not is going to make them a laughing stock, imho.
Being openly rude can also backfire, in both night game, and in your social circle. Telling a girl to get the fuck out can: 1. get a drink thrown in your face, 2. her bouncer friends come and deal with you, or 3. a street fight with her douchebro friends. Now, I'm not one to advocate backing down from an aggressor, but why be the one to instigate it?
Being rude to someone in your social circle will win you a nasty reputation as an "asshole", and most likely no sex. And believe me, I'm no stranger to carrying the label for merely being arrogant. I just don't agree with a lot of the details of this approach.

It wasn't meant to come across as "be rude" its more so meaning demand as much value out of others as you demand from yourself.

Which also includes James Bond.

I agree with both posters above: I never take shit from anybody, but I also don't give people shit without reason.
In America less so, but if you said this to anyone in my country, a girl would slap you and you'd wake up somewhere in a dumpster the next morning.

Like a boss.

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I am all for charisma... fuck battered girl style...

Do I believe you should be dominant and you should lead? YES.

Do I believe you should state what you want? Yes.

Do I believe that you are just being an ass? YES.

I am a very dominant and charismatic guy.... diplomatic and elegant in my joking of leave me the fuck alone....

IMHO you are going to make a lot more enemies then friends.... and you're just going to be the dick head that doesn't get invited anywhere.. people will hate on you and due to this your opportunities will be minimized.

A big part of being a good seducer is status as you said... DOUCHEBAG is not a good status....

If you don't have that status that you are Fucking faking then you are not going to be liked... I'm not saying you are trying to go out of your way to please people I am being very honest, the worse you make people feel the more they are not going to want to be around you. I state what I want and say what I want, but I'm also aware of the repercussions of what I say or do.

You could have this social status: "Oh damn, It's Majikal, that dude is cool as hell and he is the fucking man... dude is boss!"

This social stats: "Oh shit, is's that d-bag majikal... dude is a fucking ass hole... Why do I have to deal with him talking to me like I can't fucking punch him in the throat.."

There will be some in betweens but I mean seriously, you want to know why you get invited everywhere? BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING AWESOME. Not because you are boss... people behave in front of you and refer to you as many other negative things when you're not around.

Let's be honest Trump is the only one of us that has ever lost billions of dollars, he thinks he's brilliant but I mean has anyone here heard the guy? He sounds ridiculous.... (trying to be polite here)

Majikal this isn't a personal attack(statements on your behavior), I know this behavior works but you don't have to be a douche bag to be boss... You can be persuasive and be boss which is a far better combination that will get you love in a lot more ways than just ladies....but this will also put you in more situations to get them.

I would not want anyone to go out and act like that... because some motherfucker is going to be crazy and violent enough to do something about it and while you may have tools to back it up some of these other guys shouldn't be acting that way without a lot of back up.

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I think this is being misunderstood, he is talking about a type of "frame"/ "Situational value". Anyways, I am never this against that. EVERYTHING WORKS! Dependent if is congruent, Donald Trump personality is very "dominating" "aggressive" "polarizing". It works with some guys, for example me. In my personal biz/with my gf, i am like Donald trump, it works well for me and my personality, cause it is congruent. With that being said, "Donald Trump" as of late, he is doing a lot of shit for "shock value" in other words publicity, which is kind of annoying "Running for president" and "conspiracy theories" like Obama is not American. The problem with that is that people can see through the fakeness, which is a turn off. But i think majikal is not talking about "Shock value" but about the "I do not get push around like a pussy what you see is what you get attitude" it works, but you will also turn off some people, but is fine, cause help with screening. So different games to different type of people. AGAIN EVERYTHING WORKS!

I think Majikal is talking about this, he probably talking about this video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgPRfkvR5KA[/youtube]

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^^^ Exactly

I like the "You're done in this town!" ROTFLMAO

That has been added to the arsenal for sure

I don't think there is much difference between the two in terms of mindset. Strip down the external (the tuxedos and one liners of a traditionaL James Bond and the more brash exterior of a Donald Trump) and you're left with some similar core values; supreme confidence, an awareness of self, knowing their goals, not giving a shit if people disagree with their goals or their methods of attaining those goals. Values which most people who are good with girls - and life in general - have.

JB and DT portray those values in different ways though. JB is very smooth and suave, DT is more brash, arrogant and obtuse. However, you have to remember that both of their personas are largely, nowadays, based around entertainment. JB is obviously a film/novel character, he's not real life. DT is real life, but a lot of what you see of him nowadays is on TV or in the news for entertainment, for publicity. It's not the sort of real life that 99.99% of people live in.

So to be honest, trying to emulate DT too much will leave you as badly off as if you were trying to emulate JB; that's why if you are as rude to a girl as that last paragraph in Majikal's opening post, in the real world it will just make you look like a dick rather than have high social status.

If you want to emulate such people, you need to take their mindsets and values and adapt them to everyday life. And not just everyday life, but YOUR everyday life as in what your personality is and how it works for you. Trying to be too smooth and suave when you're not, won't work. But trying to prove your status by being brash and rude won't work either.

Bottom line - be yourself, and incorporate the core values of these people; the confidence, the self awareness, the knowing your goals and how you're going to get them, and not caring if people disapprove of your methods. But all of those core values are done within your own personality, not in the style of a personality that is grossly exaggerated for entertainment purposes in the "entertainment" and "media" worlds rather than the real world.

This is basically true in real life.

I've done both. I fired hundreds of employees while working for a former company as well as having hundreds of people liking me because I make them feel good.

Last night, I got invited to a birthday party of an 18 year old debutante. One girl (a regular) got me soda and cracked some ice. Another girl (a new one) got me beers and punched the videoke numbers for my two songs "Sweet Child of Mine" and "Smooth". Another girl drove me home and it was the first time I met her.

Sure. I managed to fuck girls before because of the 'status' of someone who fired people around but I fucked way much more girls because I made them feel good most of the time than told them "Get lost".

It's how you handle the vibe. It's how you manage the emotional roller coaster ride. It's how you fit in in the various roles that you have in society.

One stupid Indian whino fuck asserted that doctors don't get laid that much compared to athletes and singers. But I know doctors who got laid like crazy because they can sing, are badasses at the martial arts, and take good care of their bodies.

It's not one way or the other. You can have both or all-- but you must adapt to the role or vibe that is required at the moment.

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Aww, FUCK YOU!

I love being James Bond.


Lol.

To the actual thread: You need to understand what`s people take on your topic; wich is you are bringing down a fake persona by proposing another fake one.

Do you see the incongruency in there?

Here is the deal: if you were asked how does an alpha male behave; what would you reply?

To me an alpha male is a dominant guy who ADAPTS to different situations better than your average frustrated guy. This means he`s smarter, socially aware and concious about his decisions.

So yeah, you can act like James Bond; and yeah you can act like Trump, depending on the situation.

I`m surprised about how all pua`s talk about situational openers and spend little to no time to situational awareness and possible answers. Even thou there are a lot of guys out there asking tons of questions about specific scenarios, I believe we could gather a few different situations were you can act like JB or DT and be fake and gay, or you can act like a real man.

What you believe is being a boss is just being a real man. That`s what we aim at.

What's more real than telling a girl you wanted to talk to her because she's hot? Pretending you're Donald Trump? Right...
Good for him. When you own a club, and have a bouncer opening for you... you'll have that status. Until then you're just faking it, and being a dick. And telling yourself you're "keeping it real."
Big IF there, isn't it? So basically instead of doing all this PUA shit, just go get a job as a CEO or buy your own nightclub. Very helpful.

Also:

You telling a girl you think she's hot is not making her work for your time and attention... People value things much more when they have to work hard to attain them. You doing this will simply tell her that all she has to do for your attention is dress up cute and throw on some make-up. Personally, I like a bit more in my women that just a nice ass and a set of tits. I like a girl who I know will cook for me, do my laundry, take care of me when I'm sick, be good company and then expect to get dicked down at the end of the day for being such a great woman. The wonderful caretaker she is... It's a way of letting her know that you are not going to put up with her shit just because of the way she looks. You are telling me that just because a girl looks good, you will give her your time? That's kinda sad. There are tons of good looking women out there who have more personality than a fucking wet towel.

"Faking that you are Donald Trump" will make people think that you ARE Donald Trump. People know what they see. If you hold firm on your frame, people will start to treat you as the type of person you are acting like... A guy who is of value. I'll flip it into the complete opposite... If you act like a "nerd" or a "geek" meaning you sit in your moms basement all day playing video games, meet up at the local Meijer every Thursday to play World of Warcraft with all your other nerd friends... You will be TREATED like that guy. A person with no value. People naturally jump into the role that other people give them.

So here... You don't just go "get a job as a CEO" through Monster.com or "buy a successful night club." Are you fucking kidding me? YOU WORK YOUR ASS OFF FOR THAT SHIT!! YOU SCREEN THROUGH PEOPLE TO KEEP YOUR BUSINESS SUCCESSFUL!! You give off the vibe that everyone is replaceable. That's what gives you the VALUE!! You are letting people know either get up to my level or get the fuck outta my way. If you ACT this way, you will naturally start to become this because you get used to people treating you that way... You start doing things that guys who have this high value and status do. Again, people fill the role that society gives them.

I guess this post was taken out of context lol I wasn't saying to be an outright raging dickhead. Knowing when to flip the role into someone who is more playful is the most important part. Changing gears and adapting to the social situation. You don't want to be a complete asshole to everyone all the time. But you aren't going to just let anyone into your life. I've had girls tell me before that I have a very rough and tough exterior but a sweet inside... I just only show my sweet, kind side to the people that deserve it.

And as far as your picture goes... You apparently don't know much about Donald Trump lol he is not some guy who just sits in his desk, barking orders, because his daddy handed down his company to him, knows nothing about his business or the way it is supposed to be run... He worked his way up to the top. He is a leader AND a boss.

You telling a girl you think she's hot is not making her work for your time and attention...
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I didn't say it was. I said it was real and honest.
An attractive girl doesn't even need to do that much to get my initial attention.
And you somehow evaluate all that before you open her? And you're the same guy who just lauded a club owner for sending his bouncer out to bring back hot chicks?
No, I'm telling you that if she looks good I'll open her and find out if she has "more personality than a fucking wet towel."
Even if you maintain frame, it's not real. Eventually she'll find out you aren't a CEO, and were really just being a dick.
Oh I see, so instead of getting a job as a CEO you work your way up to it. So by the time you start acting like Trump you'll be as fat and old as Trump. Yeah, that sounds so much better than being yourself and chatting a girl up.
Maybe he is. You, however, are acting like a boss.