FR14 - Downtown San Francisco - 1 #close with HB8



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:30 am 
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FR14 - Downtown SF

Location: Downtown SF
Objective: At least 1 # close
Outcome: 1 weak # close with a bit of good social interaction later

Started in Foley's with a friend who had been a bit of a cockblocker before but is now in an LTR and has apologised for his past misdeeds.

Didn't open anything in Foley's, made one aborted attempt to open at the bar with a HB6 but didn't really follow through on it despite 2 chances to do so. Could have tried harder there.

Bounced to Swig. Stood for ages weighing up the situation, then noticed a wallflower HB8 on the other side of the dancefloor alternately dancing and standing alone. I went over and opened her. Went at a 45 degree angle as if intending to walk past her on my way somewhere else, opened about her necklace.

Speedbird: That's a really interesting necklace you have there. Is there a story behind it?

Took several attempts to make this clear, she turned out to be from Turkey. This is where my foreign accent stops being an asset and starts being a liability. I persevered with the convo, mostly AFC-style chat because of the limited vocabulary in a loud club. Ran a kino-based routine, moved her over to the bar with my friend just for a little change of scene, saw that she was really into the music so I offered to dance with her, which I did. Soon decided that the conversation wasn't going very far despite the IOIs I was getting, so I threw in a FTC and got her number.

We bounced to Lefty O'Doul's pub, got opened by a young 2-set couple at the bar in some chat about Guinness. The girl was a HB9, a real cutie. Chat goes well, then HB7 approaches bar to order some drinks. I manouvre in beside her with my back to the bar and open her about the shorts she's getting (Baby Guinnesses) and I neg her about how disgusting they look. I recommend Bailey's and Creme de Menthe. She gives me some IOI and goes kino, squeezing me on the arm before leaving with her drinks. She comes back in a minute for the rest of her drinks and chats some more with me.

HB9 and my buddy urge me to go and talk to her. I sit for ages trying to think of a way in. I go to the bathroom and scope out HB7's situation. She's in a 7 set with a BF hanging off her, she's sitting in a booth buried against the wall. I come back from the bathroom thinking "Fuck that's tough, but what would Mystery do?"

My buddy keeps urging me to go back and talk to her regardless, HB9 negs me for being a 'pussy' for not speaking to her. Then I have an idea. I get a Bailey's and Creme de Menthe, then walk straight over to HB7's table gesturing for her to try the drink. That opens the set, one of the guys happens to be getting up at this point and there's nobody between me and HB7. He comes back and says "Hey, sit down man." Introductions abound. I sit down, HB6 rejoins the set beside her BF, asks how I ended up sitting at the table. I joke about how HB7 and I go "way back (to the bar)." She says that she admires my skills. My buddy joins the set and I more or less let him take charge of it since I was pretty wiped. Chat with HB6 was quite interesting, we got talking about three-way couples and the unnatural nature of monogamy thanks to me steering the conversation that way.

We bounced and that was us for the night.

Review: I should have started opening sets better in the first pub, that would have gotten the momentum going better. I'll prolly follow up on the HB8 # close with a standard 48 hour time bridge. I'm quite proud of the set I opened in Lefty O'Doul's. I knew that no K close was going to come out of it because the HBs were taken, but I did it anyway for the challenge.

Need to open more sets in future. I 'm beyond practicing openers alone.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:02 am 
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Update: Texted the Turkish HB8 just a few hours inside the 48-hour time bridge, just got a reply a few seconds ago:

Speedbird - 8:40pm: "Did you dance the night away?"
THB8 - 9:52pm: "Yes I did."

Now what? Leave another time bridge stretching into the morning? I'm pretty wiped now and need to sleep. For a reply I'm thinking along the lines of "Sorry you had to do it without me" or "I hope you weren't too hungover" or something. I'll take my time, sleep on it, and compose a reply. Suggestions are welcome.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:22 am 
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Sent a text this morning saying "I hope you weren't too hungover!"

No reply all day. I won't be texting or calling until she does.


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Hey thanks for your advice on the negs. I have been incorporating more and more negs, some acually quite original. And you know as well as other PUAs that orginality is really the key considering the popularity of PU. So thanks again.

I read your FR and I think you were good. You are opening quite a few sets in a night, but you think too much about the outcome. Don't take nothing personal, you are the one of vaule here!

I have noticed that its more difficult to open sets when there are 3 or less in your group. When I go with larger groups, we get noticed because we are louder and women think that you must have value. In your case of the smaller group, its harder, but not impossible, and you proved that. Try to make as many girl friends as possible invite them along with your group. As long as they are semi good looking, you'll get better looking women with them around (its amazing!). Tell those new girl friends of yours that you are gay so they don't feel ditched by you. When they see you hitting sets, you tell them you love to talk with women because they are much more social.

As far as the text message to the hot Turkish girl, man you are in! You did your job and she will remember you. I don't think you need to time bridge her. She responded back to you right? She gave you her number right? And she gave you IOIs right? Just call her and establish the comfort, then look foward to the Day 2!

I need to tell you about my recent push pull theories. I was always the nice guy, the one who never played games. If I liked a girl I would always pull her, but never push. I would fall into friends zones and look desperate anyway. I can't tell you how important it is to just push them away at times. So don't text her and ask her about dancing. If a girl did that to you, you would pretty much know that she was into you, right? Though I am not saying to push away all the time.

For example I met a HB9 a month ago, and her friend HB7 was all over me, but obviously I wanted HB9. Well they both joined our friends last weekend and I started DHVing HB9, but HB7 was a little attention hungry, so I started to pull her back and push HB9 away. Push her away by only not talking to the target HB9 and paying attention to HB7. Women are so intuitive that see you are not into them as much, so it becomes like a Cat String Theory of having something you can’t have. I actually continued this sort of strategy over the phone. I called HB9 a couple days later (notice I did not care about time bridging, it’s a mystery thing, so its good, but it doesn't always work) and we talked for two hours, and not by choice! This time she did not have a jealous friend in the mix. I called her because I got my IOIs now! When I first met HB9 a month ago, she walked out on my set!!! She was hard core! She needed to be proven that I was no threat and that I would not just kiss her ass (pull) like every other guy. Thus, I needed to push and show some value in myself. Anyway, during the 2 hour conversation she told me lots of personal stuff only because she felt comfortable. I told her personal stuff too. So like mystery says, when you call a girl you are mainly providing comfort. But in doing so I was doing nothing but pulling! At the end of the conversation she agreed to go shopping with me, but told me that I had to go to Victoria’s Secret with her and she laughed! This was an IOI and a flirt, but I simply shrugged it off (and it was hard, literally!) and replied “Good, I was going there anyway”. She started in on me, “for what”. I would not tell her. I told her it was for personal reasons and that its just a thing that I have. She said, “you are so open, and know you won’t tell me this?” I stood my ground and said yes even though I did not want to. I just wanted to pull her toward me. But because I don’t know her that well yet I can’t. I must pull and push until I am fucking her and in a relationship. I held my position and told her that I don’t know her that well yet. She said well I am going to find out what it is that you are going to buy anyway. I said “that is fine because I will know you just that much better”. How could she argue, so she said “You are driving me crazy and I am going to be thinking about it until we go!” She added, “I bet it is something for a girl you’re dating.” She is already assuming it, great! She now thinks I am preselected by women simply because of that. Little things like that in Push/Pull Theory make a huge difference. Funny thing is I have not flirted too much and she thinks that I am not in it for sex, which separates me from the average guy after a HB9. At this point I can start to escalate the kino, flirting, and sex. Even now, she might even think that I am gay or a cross dresser? Obviously that is not the case, but she did mention it and I did not tell her yes or no, just said "who cares what you think, and I am completely secure with my sexuality" then I laughed at her. Leaving them hanging is so powerful, so keep this in mind when you are trying to call or even approaching. Its just like a neg, and you gave me advice on that, so just keep up that attitude. You are doing well. Too bad I am not in San Fran, I would love to hang. If you are ever in Salt Lake, let me know.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:14 am 
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That's a very good point about bigger sets being easy to open. Thanks for the feedback!

(Still no reply from HB8 though)


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Get IN THERE!


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