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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:41 pm 
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I'm new so I can't speak for everyone. Hopefully the moderator will welcome you if not already. All I can say is HELL YEAH you're welcome. What kind of a forum is this anyway? I mean, really.

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:14 pm 
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I suppose i may as well put in my 2 cents, being an older guy and all.

Hell wait a minute, I'm only 36..Im not old yet!

But i do know that when it comes to women my age honesty, sincerity and believe it or not chivalry is a winner. If you do not know what chivalry is you should go look it up. Believe making an older woman feel like the most attractive woman on the planet through your actions not words is the way to go.

So it goes without saying, Optimacy, if you are ever in my area coffee(or whatever you prefer to drink) is my treat. Doors will be opened and chairs pulled out at every opportunity.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:17 pm 
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One of my oldest friends (was never a target) has given me the worst advice iv ever received. I found she gave advice of things she personally thought that she wanted. However, what girls think they want and what they go for are different things. Some of her advice was the reason i stayed an AFC for so long, and she is awful in the field, the single worst cockblock as she forgets the game and just tries to make friends with the target, and also DLV's me in front of the target.

However, does this mean all girls give rubbish advice, of course not. The OP is a professional dating coach, and likley has great advice, regardless of her gender. In life, it is always good to get the perspective of somebody who see things differently. Especially if they are qualified.

Guys give bad advice, girls give bad advice. Lets just give the OP a chance before we judge, she just might have something good to say.

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:51 pm 
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Being a bit older, I'm pretty sure my perspective will be helpful here. Lots of the techniques (like the one earlier in this thread) that you guys pat yourselves on the back about, work best with young, inexperienced, women.

If you are in your early 20s now...trust me...you will look back on these days and think how foolish, immature, gullible, etc you were in certain situations. You will also realize that your "game" has to evolve as you age and play with members of the opposite sex who are much more mature, savvy, and wiser than you are dealing with now.
After dating women, then dating the same women again years later after they have grown older. I'd say that the same laws of basic attraction will always be there and in fact it becomes more pronounced with age. Women get hurt somewhere along the lines and they put up a wall of defences. They do become more savvy, but savvy at doing exactly what you are trying to do now, which is to get us to go against our years of experience at a whim. You mean well, but if a man where to give in, the dynamics of the relationship would fall apart. Within a moment you would lose your respect and attraction for the guy. How could you trust a man who would throw away his authority just for a piece of ass? And if you didn't lose respect for the guy how could I trust you as a girlfriend. If you aren't testing to see if the guy is a man or just hormonal boy then you're trouble. It is obvious though that you are probably the Seductress (Tester – Justifier – Realist) one of the most testy types of women when you first meet them. This tactic will help you quickly identify which men are suitable but you'll scare many off. Myself I have passed by your type because I like the type of women who get lost in the moment and allow me to sweep them off their feet. I don't like playing hard to get or constantly be having to hold my ground. I do like that your type is very honest and will be straight up about saying it how it is but I like those nice girls who pretend they are high and holy meanwhile they are freaks waiting to be liberated by me :D


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 1:29 pm 
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After dating women, then dating the same women again years later after they have grown older. I'd say that the same laws of basic attraction will always be there and in fact it becomes more pronounced with age. Women get hurt somewhere along the lines and they put up a wall of defences. They do become more savvy, but savvy at doing exactly what you are trying to do now, which is to get us to go against our years of experience at a whim. You mean well, but if a man where to give in, the dynamics of the relationship would fall apart. Within a moment you would lose your respect and attraction for the guy. How could you trust a man who would throw away his authority just for a piece of ass? And if you didn't lose respect for the guy how could I trust you as a girlfriend. If you aren't testing to see if the guy is a man or just hormonal boy then you're trouble. It is obvious though that you are probably the Seductress (Tester – Justifier – Realist) one of the most testy types of women when you first meet them. This tactic will help you quickly identify which men are suitable but you'll scare many off. Myself I have passed by your type because I like the type of women who get lost in the moment and allow me to sweep them off their feet. I don't like playing hard to get or constantly be having to hold my ground. I do like that your type is very honest and will be straight up about saying it how it is but I like those nice girls who pretend they are high and holy meanwhile they are freaks waiting to be liberated by me :D
You're right that some basic laws of attraction are universal and timeless.

However...for the most part....women who have never been married, divorced, and/or have kids have a noticeably different perspective on dating (and men) than those who have.

Anyone who doesn't realize or factor it into their "game" is either naive or not succeeding as much as they could.

There will also be exceptions to every rule, so it's important not to make generalizations based solely on your own experiences. I do this regularly and with many clients for Optimacy, so it's not like I learned this from some cheesy PUA website, a Reddit meme, or Dating for Dummies.

BTW...kudos on the NLP you used in your post...particularly in the last 3 sentences. It's clear you have either studied it or acquired a working level of knowledge by osmosis.

However, if I can make one suggestion...don't sabotage quality NLP technique with poor grammar and punctuation. I would also mix in a paragraph and avoid sending women a wall-of-text.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:14 am 
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BTW...kudos on the NLP you used in your post...particularly in the last 3 sentences. It's clear you have either studied it or acquired a working level of knowledge by osmosis.

However, if I can make one suggestion...don't sabotage quality NLP technique with poor grammar and punctuation. I would also mix in a paragraph and avoid sending women a wall-of-text.
I was confused because there was no intentional nlp but there's nlp in there alright, except the last line would not be delivered to your type "but I like those nice girls who pretend they are high and holy meanwhile they are freaks waiting to be liberated by me :D" You are already sexually open, using that line on you is suicide. Better to play sex down and play hard to get. What I am saying is that I like the type of woman that direct is more suitable because then I can use nlp all day everyday and she will love me. Ok, ok the nlp just leaks out of me automatically even when I'm trying to have a normal convo. And negging my grammar won't work, plus I'm not interested in tactics. I would like advice that is deeply profound that requires some real insight. I want to build healthy, long lasting, fulfilling relationships. I can make it past the tests and the banter, then what? I'd be concerned that you would shit test me for the rest of the relationship.


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