Okay guys I need a bit of help about where to go with this. I was chatting with a HB9 online. We have chatted before but I’ve never gotten any serious IOI’s and I was bordering on AFC so I thought I had nothing to lose and begun challenging her. Reading her profile she makes her intentions clear about what she wants; ‘excitement’. I began by pointing out how conflicted she is after pointing out what she wrote in her profile.

Me: If you're only looking to be 'excited' (which I assume is a euphemism) why should it matter if people on here 'don't think you're presentable to mum and dad?' Are you actually completely soft and looking for a cute relationship?

Her: Eventually I want to meet my bf's parents, of course.
But I'm a total badass, didn't you get the memo?

Me: Naww do you think it’s likely you'll find a boyfriend on here? I got the feeling you were just looking for fun.
Yep, so hardcore!

Her:I don't want a bf from here, not really.
Just sex primarily, or a guy who'll pay for dinner lol. I don't even care. Maybe just a guy to meet up with so he can buy me drinks. I don't know, I'm not chasing sex. I'm horny lately but that's not the only thing on my mind or anything.

Me: Hahaha so classy. Do you actually find guys who are lame enough to do either of those attractive? Nothing is more desperate than a guy who is willing to buy anything for a stranger. I’d like to be an attractive female but I have conscience.
(She went a bit quiet)
Me: Do I come across as a dick?

Her: Yes

Me:Why's that?

Her:You know why.

Me:Because I'm unwilling to buy you drinks? I don't know why, I think it says more about your insecurities than mine.

Her:I'm not interested in dating a guy who doesn't have oldschool manners like that.

Me: So I'm a dick because I'm unwilling to buy drinks for someone who has a sense of entitlement that comes with being female? How many guys have you dated? Would you feel the same way if roles were reversed? I don't have a problem with either although I find it trashy when 'old school manners' (chivalry) is expected for no good reason.

Her: I didn't ask you to message me, you can stop whenever you like. If you don't like the way I act that's totally ok with me. I guess we're not compatible and we're both better off from knowing that. Sure I might be trashy. If you're not into me then you're not into me.
The solution is for us to stop bothering each other. If you find my attitude so offensive you know where this conversation should end.

Me:So you like the patheticness of guys who agree with everything you say and tell you what you want to hear? I don't have a problem with you. I don't think you’re completely trashy, I just don't agree with that particular attitude. I didn't see it as a reason for us to stop talking, you seem kind of interesting but maybe you thinking I'm a dick is a way of dealing with your insecurities. If you're looking for 'excitement' because you're an unexciting person then best of luck.

Her:What's with the hostility?

Me: You know why.
I could have asked you the same thing but if you're not interested in talking neither am I.

Her: Do you want me to be your bitch? Do you wanna slap me, and own me?

Me: Not particularly, I don't know you. Is that your idea of excitement?

Her: lol, I don't know. I was wondering if it was your thing.

Me: Haha I think it's unlikely you'll find out. I won't put out until we've been on 20 dates but I might hold hand after a couple. I'm old school!:P

Her: Lmao. Shut up haha.

Me: Ok, goodnight!

Her: Goodnight xx

I think I closed it pretty well but how should I reinitiate conversation?

Viking - Wow, I'm almost speechless reading that. From a woman's POV you are really being heavy handed, and like she said, you do sound hostile. You also sound cheap and arrogant. You're trying to challenge her theory of "entitlement" and she's just trying to get a little attention/sex/drinks - whatever. She completely opened the door for you. NO - she kicked it WIDE open and invited you in for milk and cookies and you basically slammed it in her face.

When a hot woman is basically saying, "hey, i'm horny and looking for a nice night out with a guy that will make me feel special" don't shut her down. This was an easy score that you complicated by infusing all these silly PUA tactics into the conversation.

If you really are so angry that hot women are used to having drinks bought for them then you probably aren't ever going to get one. It's a game, and there are rules, and one of the rules, whether you like it or not, is that really hot women expect men to work for their attention. In my experience, trying to circumvent this rule is a waste of time and WILL NOT get you laid.

Also, it's not about feeling entitled, it's about wanting to feel special. It's about wanting to feel feminine, which means the man takes the lead and in most cases, pays for things. That's what ALL women want. Not money - but to feel their femininity and attractiveness and worth.

My question is - do you want to prove a point or do you want to get laid?

Think about it...

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I'd ask her when she was free so she could buy you drinks

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This reminded me of a pretty funny story... Owen/Tyler from RSD had this speech about sometimes you have to break the rules. He said he met this hot stripper and got her number and one day he called her to hang out. She said that he can buy her dinner and they could have fun. Of course he declined, a lot smoother than you did but still declined nonetheless. She got pissed and they argued about whether a man should buy females things or not, and she hung up on him. A couple months go by and he called her up again. She forgot who he was and they reconnected. He asked her out and immediately she told him he could buy her dinner. He said fuck it this time and did it. After dinner they fucked.

As far as critiquing the convo... You came off too harsh. Whenever any girl asks me to buy them dinner or drinks I always tell them that I COMPLETELY understand that a man should take care of a female but I reserve that SPAM for girlfriends. Every now and then I'll buy them a drink or so, but thats how I treat all my friends.

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I can't stress enough how newbies take PUA concept too literally. The "no buying drink" rule is there to prevent you kissing her ass, put her on pedestal and buying her affection. It's not ABSOLUTE. If you're having a good time with a woman, why not just buy her a drink showing the appreciation of her company? It's a nice gesture, nothing is AFC about it. Don't be cheap.

Remember, PUA is just a guideline and concept for you to understand women better and improve yourself and your chance to win them over. It, by no mean, should govern every action you make. Use your logic and common sense to act accordingly.

Lastly, she was giving you shitload of cues. You didn't LISTEN to a single thing she said. Shame on you. Could have number-closed at her 3rd response. Even if you have no intention to buy her a drink, just agree to it. You can decide everything once you actually MEET her. Push comes to shove, you can always bail if you don't like her. Next time don't shoot yourself in the foot before the race even starts.

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