Sex is fun, feels good, and always good to look forward to when you're with a woman. The thing is most women use their bodies to control men. When a man is trying to get women, he thinks sex is the ultimate goal. When he works hard to get a girl in bed, and finally does, the whipping has already begun. They'll have sex for days on end. She'll do little things to test him to see how much she can get away with. She'll say little sarcastic comments. She'll be disrespectful in a subtle way. Too subtle to make a big deal about, but just enough to get the job done. Pretty soon the sex stops. She'll make excuses to hang out. This is when the guy is running a million and one things in his head. He will bend over backwards to get sex from this woman. He may even humiliate himself in the process. The woman loses respect for him and has total control over him. All she has to do is show a little sign of being displeased with him and he'll straighten up.

You want to be the complete opposite. Sex is secondary. When a woman can't control a man with sex, she loses her power. When she loses her power two things can happen. She will give up trying and move on, or she will submit. When a man has requirements for her, she will try to meet those requirements. When a man is not controlled by sex and doesn't fall for the BS, she will become more attracted to him. This is why the "badass" and bad boys are able to take the biggest "bitch" and turn her into a respectable woman. Don't think this is always the woman's fault. Part of it is the man's fault. He must put an end to that. I was in a situation where I was controlled sexually years ago. After that relationship, I made a promise I would never let that happen again.

Women hate men who are controlled sexually. It shows neediness and a lack of self-respect. You'll do anything for sex. Women want to be with strong men. Even if this "strong man" makes her angry for a moment, there will be an attraction later on. This is why you'll see some women say they hate a certain man but end up sleeping with him later on. He acts like a real man... something all women want.

Be A Real Man And Whip That Pussy!

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Good post, bluntly stated version of "Outcome dependency" we need more bluntness to slap some guys awake.

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First off, women don't control men with sex. Men are controlled by access to sex. So the solution is not to figure out how to take away a woman's so-called "power". The solution is to realize that the majority of women don't think that way and you're attributing a level of "power" to them that's all in *your* head.


I don't know how forcing a woman "to submit" in anything is going to lead to a healthy relationship. Honestly, if you had read this shit in a Cosmo article, where it actually said "How to get any man to submit to you" you'd be disgusted and fucking hate any woman who agreed with it. There has to be a balance of power or else you're only going to attract women with serious dependency issues who --even if you get sex initially -- will begin to hate you and feel psychologically abused. She won't genuinely love you and feel **safe** in the relationship, she'll know deep down that you're playing mind games with her. Try to keep the sexual desire in balance. Let her initiate as often as you do and make her feel comfortable enough to show her weakness because you're putting everything out in the open too --little by little. That's how healthy relationships work. If you have to play mind games, you're doing something wrong.

One more note about your analysis: Too many men view this "Sex was crazy at first, but there's way less of it now" as some sort of devious pre-planned scheme that all women secretly have programmed into them. It's not. What usually happens is that in the beginning of a relationship, the woman is trying really hard to impress you. She wants to be sexually available all the time *even when she's not entirely in the mood*. She does this because she likes you. Take it as a compliment.

As time goes on, she expects you to be a little more considerate of how her body actually works. She's more honest about her libido and hopes that you'll be OK with that. This is not a shit test. This is not deception. This is simply her letting you see one of her weaknesses... that she's not actually wanting to fuck every five minutes. Men do it too, it's just that it typically takes much longer for men to get to this point. I think this has a lot to do with why some people cheat and/or go through one partner after another. They notice a decrease in sexual desire after a while (it's natural) and they blame the other person for it. The key is to NOT react to her natural libido like an asshole or a schmuck. Don't get angry or accuse her of hating you to guilt trip her into sex when she doesn't want it, and don't get pathetic and start acting like a slave in the (incorrect) assumption that she's withholding sex on purpose. This isn't even about "being a man". It's about being an adult, and caring more about finding *balance* in your relationship, than about forcing someone to "submit" to you.

Very nice post, I can relate alot to this.

It is basically friendzoning girls, you are physically very comfortable with girls. They know you have the balls to SEXUALLY escalate/close. But you arent doing it, and they will be wondering why the fuck not.

Keep this frame up untill you can f close them on a regular base.

Personally i 'fingerbang' (south park, im not english) girls before i kissclose them, or even f close.

The key is to keep them close physically but dont send off sexual intent (kinda gay actually, but meh im getting laid lol)

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Kate6, you made a good point about each person getting tired of the other, but I'm talking about something a little different. When a man shows how horny he is and will do anything for sex, women will dangle pussy in front of his face like he's a hungry lion. She will tease him with it. She will make him jump through hoops in order to get sex.

Let me tell you the thing about a woman submitting. It's not a sign of weakness. It's actually a woman's strength. When a submissive woman is with a good man who doesn't abuse her for being so submissive, the relationship can be very long lasting. A woman can later on get what she wants without a big argument. A man is willing to compromise with a submissive woman than a woman who's trying to lock horns with him. If the woman is smart and submissive, the man will usually calm down and think about what she's saying. Let me give you two examples--one, a woman who lock horns with a man, and the other who's submissive.

Locking Horns:
Her: I don't want you going out getting drunk with your friends. You don't know how to act when you drink. You can't hold your liquor.
Him: What? Are you crazy? Are you giving me orders? And what do you mean 'I can't hold my liquor'?
Her: I hate cleaning up your mess when you come in drunk and acting a fool. If you leave, don't expect to come back in.
Him: Bitch, don't wait up.

Submissive woman:
Her: Baby, Are you going out with your friends again? Please don't get out-of-control drunk. I hate seeing you sick like that. Plus, I have to clean up all that vomit. So please, drink responsibly.
Him: I will. Damn, you sound like a commercial (smiles)
Her: You said that before and I had to drag you into the bathroom because you were so sick. I hate seeing my man look like a drunk frat boy. I fell in love with a strong man who can control himself. So, is my man gonna come back or some drunk frat boy?
Him: I promise your man is gonna come back. As a matter of fact, if I come in drunk you can let me lie in my own vomit... I'll clean it up myself and you know how much I hate cleaning.

I'm just giving an example, but a smart, submissive woman usually gets what she wants... a good husband. When a woman learns how to choose the right man and submits to him, she will get a husband who will turn down tons of hot pussy because he can't risk a good woman for a piece of ass. He will brag to his friends about how much he loves his wife. His friends will also envy him. They will respect his wife and have a look in their eyes when they see her. Not a look like they want to sleep with her (well, maybe if she's hot), but a look like, "Damn, do you have any friends or sisters like you!"

A submissive man, on the other hand, will be looked down upon. He will lose the respect of his woman and his friends. His friends will sleep with his wife behind his back and he will still take her back. Women hate submissive men. I don't care how much they say they hate men who take control. Once a man has the power to make a woman submit (even the ones who find submission as a sign of weakness), he will see how much better his relationships become.

Men are meant to lead and woman are meant to submit. Don't blame me... blame human nature.

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The way I've learned to treat it... Give her sex as a reward for complying with YOUR demands.

She does everything you ask... You dick her down. It's simple. Let her realize that if she doesn't do the things you ask (compliance tests) someone else will and you will fuck them instead.

Na mate I disagree... In your argument you make the point that she made an effort to be sexually available all the time at the beginning, and we should take it as a compliment... then how should we take it when she stops making an effort?... I myself was with a girl in a ltr and had this same fucking SPAM so feel pretty strongly about it just like the OP...

"Being considerate of her body" is one thing... but being told "Don't do that"/ "no just missionary" during sex shows she doesn't give a fuck about putting effort into sex... Anyway what about her being considerate of my body and my need for more regular sex? You said a relationship should be about compromise... on what planet, is only having sex only when she wants it, compromise? I can tell you right now that if the guy turns the girl down she will throw a fucking strop...

to a reasonable extent, with most women in most relationships, you should never put your guard down... they are genetically fucking manipulative mate... the majority of guys I know who are in relationships are whipped, it's fucking bad... I wouldn't be surprised if cosmo did in fact print that article at some point because i see a lot of guys backing down to women... misogynist right here

SO MUCH GOOD STUFF IN THIS THREAD! Yep blame the feminazis for this BS. Women have been taught that compromise means she says what she wants and the man agrees (especially when it comes to sex in a relationship) Any other guys here get accused of cheating and spend the entire night being interrogated for saying no to sex one time when she turned you down many times? that was the beginning of the end for that relationship.

I think its ok for a woman to say no sometimes. How many guy here had a lady who 95% would either get in bed with you or at least touch you, kiss you, whisper dirty things in your ear, or somehow do a little something to take care of you?

This is why so many women don't like to make decisions, expect the man to plan the dates, want a man who makes more money than them even if they are well off. Plenty of women still expect you to pay for the dates even though men and women are basically on an even financial footing. We don't fall for that trap anymore around here Women get so confused because the way society is telling them to act is often the opposite of their instincts.

I think that was an excellent point about women using persuasion when they need to get their man to do something instead of trying to boss him around. In both cases the woman is right, but the first scenerio where she bitches and tries to beat him down sets up confrontation.

When a woman repeatedly to holds out on you and uses her pussy as a weapon tell her just like G.Love sang it "I got all the pussy and you only got ONE!!!" then get your sarge on and go get some!

After reading only the first paragraph I'd like to add to this.
If a girl [or anyone for that matter] does something disrespectful that doesn't matter, why the fuck care. If they're invading your territory and breaching your personal space, let them know it's not fucking cool. Seriously, this improves your life a great deal.

Forget about the sex part. Don't let anyone walk over you, it's nonsense. It's bullshit. Your boss asks you to do some horseshit that you don't have to fucking do and tries to use him being your boss as a way to control you? Find a polite way to tell him to go blow himself. A girl lingers over you the idea she MIGHT MAYBE fuck you if you spend a shit ton of money on her? Sex is something that BOTH parties enjoy, tell her to fuck off [in nicer ways] and do what YOU want to do with your shit. Not what she wants.

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This is true imo and experience-values shows this.
I mean, too often such debates will end in ppl feeling offended by the truth and putting in their idealistic opinions - that`s also part of humans - being idealistic.


But unfortunatelly being idealisitc about anything does not change a fact - and hence it is pointless to deny realities...
Imo the post from OP has a lot of truth inside!

Hi guys, thought this post was very interesting and I have a strong opinion about it. I am a complete newb to proper pickup method, but I am not new with women and have had several profound relationships. In my humble opinion, the man should HANDS DOWN, always be the one controlling the woman sexually, and that's very easy if he fucks her right - that is the most natural and most masculine way. If you fuck your woman well, fuck her brains out, if you give her multiple orgasms consistently, she will be completely addicted to you sexually and you will always have control in the relationship in every respect. Believe me, women crave sex much much more than men when the sex is good for them. Master your abilities in sex and you will never have this problem. On another note, if she is giving you problems, the proper attitude is to ditch her and find a new girl to bless with your cock; it's her loss.

my two cents.

there is a book that helped me out a lot, it's a pdf ebook called "two girls teach sex", I highly recommend this if you're interested in developing your sex skills. When you fuck a girl right, it's truly no contest guys, you will have pure, unquestionable control of the relationship.

This may be weird and you guys may have never experienced this but I believe me personally I am desensitized to how much i need sex and I'll be honest, I think it came from large amounts of porn (which i don't personally recommend abusing as much as i did) and the fact that i am 26 now? My girlfriend now is pretty damn hot but for the life of me. I've gotten to the point where I am coming off as "well if i get it that's cool and if i don't that's cool too" ya know? I think this is VERY important mentality to have and it really creates a strong frame.

I mean women aren't stupid but they are (like most human beings other than chuck norris) insecure. So that first time you don't looks like a weinie dog locked in a doggy crate they're going to be thinking... IS HE GETTING FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE?!? ball is in your court.

I mean think about it the first time you have sex with a particular girl. How much more advantageous to you to play it cool not try to force it than sit there and match her kino escalation until she can't handle it anymore and she doesn't think you would reject her. BUT act like its not going to be the end of your day if you don't get it.

i've had some really profound relationships, then now, after being married for awhile,
i feel like the edge is gone.
i'm reading on here, and watching that stephan guy on youtube, and i can see some
things that i've been doing wrong, like being courteous and attentive etc.
so i'm trying the opposite talk, but try to not think about banging, which is easier said
or written, than done, especially if it has been a long time

Mate I don't know what the other PUs think... but next time she is horny... reject her, don't give in even if you're horny/ if she throws a strop... You need to turn the tables... Make her chase you for sex... not the other way around...