I was sitting in the sun in front of my fav coffeshop this afternoon and right next to me there was this extremely attractive woman in her mid to late 40ies, obviously a rich career type woman judging by her outfit. She sat there with this kinda cute looking youngster in his early 20ies. Since they were no more then a meter away from me I couldn´t help but follow their conversation. She is obviously working for (maybe even the boss of) a firm doing sound post-production for television and other media and the young man was either applying for, or being hired by her as a speaker, since she was talking a lot about what he would have to do and how a.s.o... But she was also pretty flirty with that guy, obviously enjoying the attention she got from him even though he was acting very AFC. As I said he was kinda cute, not really handsome but obviously enough to for her to constantly qualify herself to him. But regarding the contents and nature of their conversation I was kinda irritated since the young mans´ voice was really extremely unremarkable. I have been told that I have a really great deep masculine voice a zillion times and asked by people why I don´t make some money with it by doing exactly the kind of thing they were talking about, so I was kinda annoyed and amused by the convo I was following. I was inclined to say something. To maybe have another career-option but of course also because I found this woman very sexy. So I did say something LOL! this is how it went...

Me: Excuse me Madam, I couldn´t help but overhear your conversation, just like I can´t help but clearly see what´s really going on here! I think we all know that this young mans voice is nothing special, so I was wondering: Why don´t you hire me to dub your films and video-games and keep this kid here for what you truly want him for?

(They both looked at me with open mouths lol)

Me: (with a grin and a shrug): just saying...

HB: Excuse me??? I can´t believe how rude you are! Who the hell do you think you are???

Me: A man with a cool voice I was told... But you are right, that was kinda rude, so allow me to rephrase; You are real hot lady, so why don´t you forget about this kid entirely? I´m more then up to both the things you´re looking for! (BIG grin with that)

HB: (exhales in a way that states her disbelief together with sthg like an irritated smile) WHAT???!!!

Youngster: Hey man, I think you should apologize right now!

Me: (giving him a warm smile) Yeah right, that´s what you would do now, isn´t it?

HB: You must be joking Mister!

I just got up smiling at her and went inside to pay for my coffee (it´s a self service place). When I came out and passed by them (both of them staring at me like I was an alien) I went for my wallet, took out one of my buisness-cards and handed it to the HB and said

Me: Give me a call when you get over your shock and find the time to think about my offer!

Then I took of laughing quietly, cause I myself figured that what I just did was pretty outrageous haha...

Around 4:30, just as I was about to pick up my older son from school, my cellphone rang, unknown number on the display. I didn´t expect it I admit, but I recognized her voice right away.

Me: Yes?

HB: You actually do have a great voice!

Me: Hahaha! And?

HB: What do you mean AND? You´re the one that made the offer!

Me: True. So what do you suggest?

HB: I think you should come by my office and we should talk.

Me: No, won´t work that way. I deserve the same SPAM you gave that youngster today. More then that actually, just flirting with me will not get you a deal if you know what I mean!

HB: You are one cocky bastard aren´t you?

Me: Yes I am.

HB: Okay Mister, what do YOU suggest then?

Me: Drinks tonight. Around 9.

HB: Sorry but I already have plans tonight.

Me: Alright then, how about we meet at the coffeeshop tomorrow at noon?

HB: Is 1 o´clock okay for you as well?

Me: It is. 1 o´clock then... Wear something sexy!

HB: (laughs out loud) You are quite a character aren´t you?

Me: (laughing too) Whatever you say Madam, see you tomorrow!

Well, I´ll keep you posted on how this is gonna develop, but I´m pretty sure that if she shows up I have a pretty good chance to game her into my bedroom. Okay, making a few bucks on the side by becoming a voice for hire wouldn´t be bad either, but my priority is getting laid of course

If I succeed this will be the second time I got laid after handing someone my card instead of getting Her number first (See a post of mine titled "got laid after being knocked out by the amog" from roughly a year ago-if it´s still around that is). I maybe I should hand out my card more often lol

That´s it for now, as I said I´ll keep you posted on my progress with this Lady!

Cheers!

Nice work looking forward to seeing how the meet goes!

Cocky game seems to be a right player for older women! hope you can close it bro!

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Finbarr.

The one thing I have amazing game is with older women. It's oddly enough a wildly different situation than with younger girls. You know how you have to act like you aren't interested with a particular girl but in reality you are and etc.... yea older women don't do that. They are different ball game.

Think of it this way. A woman in her late 30's to 40's is already been through a lot of relationships. Many of the failed hence her being single. She is probably solid in her career and had to work hard due to the fact that women have to job wise. They don't have time for BS. They want guys to be aggressive right off that bat, show interest, then treat them well.

Majority of the women I have been with are milfs mainly because I'm ridiculously aggressive and don't do well playing the mind games. It straight works. To prove my point on the simplicity of milf game:

I belong to a fraternity and we had a house party. It was rather large and full of 18-22 year olds. Me, I'm older due to me being a veteran. Anyways. One girl brought her mom and guys were just being all over her. I just punched through, cleared the chaff, and within an hour was making out with her. Best yet, in her car with her daughter in the back passed out.

Ok so did this en up as a voice/vag-combo?

Sorry guys, said I´ll keep you posted on how this developed, but I was so buisy with work and the hb9 I picked up last friday night after my afternoon date with the milf, that I was too lazy to write long reports...
The HB9 is a a 25yearold economist and a total sexfreak, so I concentrated on her most of the past week, but that´s a different story

Since what I have to report happened a week, respectively 4 days ago and the dates with milf stretched over several hours, you´ll have to forgive me for not remembering the entire interaction in every detail, so I´ll focus on the parts that I remember best, seem most important.
So I arrived at the coffeshop at 13h sharp and found her already sitting outside reading a paper. Looked great, tight checkered buisness suit, brown boots with very high heels, real elegant and sexy. I said hi and went inside to get myself a coffee. I asked the barrista if the lady outside has been there for long and he told me she arrived about 20 minutes ago. Went outside and sat down next to her.

She: You are very punctual, I like that!

Me: And you must be very eager to see me. I like THAT!

She: Hahaha! What makes you so sure?

Me: You are here since 20 minutes already waiting for me, despite of the tight scedule a professional like you is likely to have... (big knowing smile)

She: Hey, are you spying on me?

Me: I wouldn´t call it spying. I´m rather gathering intelligence that might help me to seduce you

She: (laughing out loud, throwing back her hair) OMG, you´re doing it again!

Me: Doing it sounds pretty good to me.

She: (shaking her head in disbelief, but smiling) Can you be serious at all? This is a buisness-meeting, nothing more. Okay? I think you´re interesting and I might want to recruit you!

Me: (looking around,putting on a serious face) If that was entirely true you would have insisted on me coming to your office. But okay, I´ll play along.

She laughed again and said something like "Yeah right, let´s start then". I dropped my attitude at this point and allowed her to talk about the job thing. This went on for quite a while. I found out that she´s not working for a sound-studio as I assumed, but is the co-owner of an agency that specializes in speakers that can be booked by studios, production houses and such. She told me in detail what kind of stuff I might be doing if hired and the likes. Pretty much the same she told the youngster the day before, with the same kind of flirty attitude. She did seem somewhat nervous, in a good way I like to believe. However I did get a bit bored at some point, mostly because I heard most of that the day before when she talked to the young guy. So at some point I started to eyefuck her, imagining what she might look like when she cums aso. That made me smile. As you guys know women notice that kind of vibe, so she asked:

She: Hey, are you listening at all?

Me: No, not really.

She: That´s rude! Don´t you want the job?

Me: Oh sure, I wouldn´t mind making some extra money, but I´m doing pretty well in my actual job, so my priority is getting into your panties.

She: You are impossible! Stop it, will you!

Me: Stop what?

She: Being like this!

Me: It got me a date with you, so why should I?

She: Because I´m married, for one thing!

Me: So? There´s hardly a need to tell me that a position I didn´t apply for is already taken. ( my standard reply to the I have a boyfriend-line btw)

She: HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Me: Besides, I don´t believe in marriage anyway.

She: Oh really what do you believe in then?

Me: Discretion, for one thing.

There was a long pause here. We just looked straight in each others eyes. Me with a cocky smile, her with a look that was hard to read, but I assume that she was considering her (sexual) options. After what felt like a very long time she looked away (actally she looked down, which is a submissive signal).When she looked up again she was the one with a cocky grin.

She: Never mind. You are way too old for me anyway! You should have realized that yesterday already!

Me: I am younger then you are!

She: But not much. (longish pause) How old are you?

Me: 43

She: Really? You look much younger!

Me: Ha! See you can screw me then after all!

She: (grinning) oh-my-god, will this ever stop?

Me: Not a chance! You do look younger too btw.

She: Thank you! How old do you think I am?

Me: 47

She: You mean I look 47, or I am 47?

Me: You look 39, but you are 47.

She: (big smile) Good guess, even better answer (wink)

From that point on we engaged in a long conversation about our lives and the world in general (also about sex and relationships) that went on for almost 2 hours in which the rapport was superb. I toned down the cockyness significantly (didn´t drop it entirely of course), because I didn´t want to mess up my comfort game with her. I found out loads of very personal things about her (that are none of your buisness guys ) which tells me I did more then well. She spent far more time with me then she intended so at some point she had to hurry back to her office. We parted with a very intimate hug and I gave her a longish but innocent enough farewell kiss on the lips. "We´ll keep in touch" she said.

I didn´t hear from her over the weekend. But that didn´t bother me too much. Mostly because later that day (night) I picked up this blonde HB) playboy-bunny lookalike mentioned before, that I dated and laid the night after that (saturday) and that I had the enormous pleasure to fuck on tues day and yesterday night as well, but as I said that´s another story - and surprisingly was much easier. Normally the older ladies give me less trouble, because the age-difference is smaller...

Anyway I didn´t forget my milf (I´m telling you guys she is real hot too I´m sure she was a ten once), so i decided to give her a call on monday and ask her out for dinner. She was real happy to hear from me, but seemed nervous too. But she was free. the convo was pretty short though and went on like this after she agreed to meet me at half past 8 at this great japanese restaurant I love.

She: I hope having dinner is all you plan on.

Me: For starters. After that I plan on closing that minor generation gap that divides us!

She: You again. (serious voice) You are risking to scare me off. You know I´m married...

Me: Haha! Who dares, wins, no risk no fun... Bla-bla, you know the drill!

She: Seriously, you are on thin ice here!

Me: Yes, I am aware of that. But you are a grownup and you know what you´re doing yourself. I will be there anyway, because I love their food and it wouldn´t be the first time I eat there by myself if you choose not to show up. What happens is your call, you´re the lady after all.

She just said "okay then" and hung up.

Actually I must say that I didn´t expect her to show up after that, because she sounded weird and the way she ended the convo weirded me out a bit. But she did. What happened then is... well you´ll see.

I was sitting in my regular seat next to a window through which I was able to see her coming. I had decided that IF she shows up I´d have to rev up things right away, that the time for games was over. I figured by this time we both were clear about what this is all about and both on the same page, if you know what I mean.
So as I saw her coming I got up and stepped outside to greet her in front of the restaurant. She stopped when she reached me , looking VERY nervous and said "HI" in a very shallow shy tone. I answered "hi" in a gentle voice smiled at her warmly and went in for the kiss right away. It was a looong wet kiss, tender at first, but more and more passionate as it went on. I could tell how badly turned on she got. But then it happened: She broke loose all of a sudden backed off, looked at me like I was some dangerous beast (which I am lol, I´ll give her that ) and said "I can´t do this, this is so wrong!" I was pretty stunned, but got my shit together in a sec. I said "Wrong? Wow, thanks, that sounds flattering!" She looked at me for some time with this weirded out expression, almost whispered "I´m sorry" and took off!!!
Fuck...

So this is how it went. Not as I hoped/expected. I wonder if I overlooked something I did VERY wrong, but actually I think my game was immaculate, so I´m a bit irritated. I tend to believe that it has nothing to do with me, at least I hope so. Maybe she never cheated on her husband before and got cold feet. But maybe I shouldn´t have kissed her before I re-established some comfort again. Also I´m unsure if I should pursue this further, call her again aso. I have my young HB9 and another fuckbuddy in sore, but I really like mature hotties, and this one I desire in particular, so I´m really unsure after all...

Even a cocky bastard like me has his weak points... so your opinions on "should I stay or should I go" issue at hand are appreciated...

And I believed it went so well! maybe I was too sure of myself.

Peace and closes guys!

Hey Picun,

Yeah, you should probably have worked hard to establish comfort... she was there because she wanted an affair with you, but she was wrestling with her conscience, and that's something that will take her a little time to get over.

That said, this is a totally natural mistake... I have kicked myself recently for getting too physical too fast with a woman. Just live and learn... and it sounds like you've got great game already, so just keep hitting on those MILFs and getting better and better.

And keep posting here, it's really great to hear from someone who has such good cocky game... I'm really getting into cocky/funny combined with strong doses of overt sexuality, and am finding it to be highly successful.

Cheers, ~50

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I'm reading this and I'm thinking you couldn't have done anything any different. But now on second thought I think you could have.

You could have pulled the "We're not having sex" route and see how that would have worked out. Or something similar at least, since you were very congruent with your "I want you" frame. You could have made her feel more at ease, since I think you already knew that this was a tight rope, that she feels bad for cheating. The thing is she liked you, and if you could have managed to maker her feel safe and take the pressure off of her instead of constantly putting it on her that probably would have helped. "We're only having dinner", or something. Back to yours, "We're only having drinks. Nothing more" - however you would have had to have implemented that earlier on already so it would have been more congruent. "I never have sex with a stranger quickly, let's see how this goes." Takes the pressure off of her and allows her to relax. Sure, sacrifices some sexual tension in the moment, but you must remember that the sexual tension here was making her feel bad "how can I possibly be so attracted to someone! I'm married! I'm bad!" - that's her conscience.

That's my 2 cents here. Other than that awesome awesome game.

Accept it, probably she's got too good a marriage to lose, and despite how bad she got turned on, you know already how ladies think sometimes. Insgesamt aber toll gemacht, naja du hast ja noch welche Reserven, sollst keine Sorge machen.

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Stop masturbating and watching porn for the sake of your game.

Even though this did not end up in an "F-close". It is a fine example of BOLDNESS beyond reproach.

Every time I answer a PM or a post that says "I can say that, I afraid to offend". I will refer to this post.

Keep up the good work.

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

Thanx for your valued opinions guys!

You are probably right, I should have gone easier on her, created much more comfort. So the bottom line so far is that if my game would have really been awesome I wouldn´t have blown it in the finish... Definately overdid it in front of the restaurant, should have taken the hints more seriously that our last phone convo clearly gave me.

I take it from most of your answers that I should just take the defeat and learn from it instead of pushing this further? ... Well, that´s pretty much the way I see it too anyway.

Right now I´m very critical with myself, cause my little centerfold HB9, that I was supposed to see tonight is flaking on me, not answering anymore... Well seems I´ll have to go out tonight and work on filling that gap, instead of having a sure shot with HB9 . Must admit I really liked that one a lot, so her bailing out without a word does threaten to fuck up my state for tonight. I´m not made out of rocks after all...

But hell I have become pretty good in this, haven´t earned a "bad" rep for nothing, so I´ll just get in that ring and do my thing! The game is always on right?

Happy hunting to myself and all of my brothers in arms out there!

I'm thinking, when she said "this is wrong" you shouldn't have continued being cocky. Not that that might have "saved" the situation, but continuing to be cocky then seems to might come across like you're not taking her emtotions seriously. Like she's being serious and your still playing games. I imagine that is quite a turn off to girls, as if you are not responsible for what you are doing. After all she's putting a lot on the line, better be worth it..

Very interesting story, and I must admit, I have never even been close to a similar situation as this, so any advice is just speculation. But my feeling about this is that she was not entirely sure about it (because of the weird phone call), but could not help showing up because she was extremely attracted to you. Your intense kiss, that aroused her when she showed up scared the fuck out of her and she left.

What went wrong is that the moment women get aroused, they can already get this feeling similar to LMR. I think that she might have freaked out, exactly because she realized she was getting turned on.

What you could (and I think should) have done instead, is to pull back a little while kissing before she would get turned on. It is even enough to just pull back for two seconds, while leaving her a clear option to re-initiate the kiss. If she does, her feelings about being turned on with a stranger will be different.

Each one of you has pointed out something very true. Should have gone easier on her, dropped the (cocky) attitude and given her the time to relax over a nice meal and good conversation. Now that I think about it I even believe I shouldn´t have kissed her right away, before she even had the time to catch a breath. Since I did kiss her I must say that what robke 136 suggested, pulling back during the kiss to let her decide if she want´s to go through with it, is exactly what I should have done.
Taking into account the vibe the phonecall gave me prior to the date I realize that what happened there and messed up the entire thing was a very bad case of miscalibration. Calibration is usually something I´m very good at, that works without thinking about it, due to my social skills and life experience, so the realization that my judgement failed me so badly here embarrasses me actually. It was boldness that got me that far and recklessness that ruined it in the end. I´ve been thinking a lot how that much misjudgement could have occured and I came to this conclusion: I never seriously gamed a married woman so far. Yes I picked up girls and women that have a bf, but never anyone in a relationship that requires this amount of commitment. As one of you stated: "Maybe she has to good a marriage to loose". The women that are older then 30 that I gamed and closed so far were all single or in disfunctional relationships and all had in common taht once they were attracted enough getting them to bed was extremely easy. Just escalated and at a certain point it was them who took over. Never got any kind of resistance or LMR. "Grown up" women are usually more comfortable with themselves and have a much clearer idea what they need and once they decide they are down to fuck you theat´s what they do. Sex is no big deal to them anymore and I never encountered even a hint of buyers remorse with them, not before, not after sex. But as I said those I gamed were singles or as good as single and I`m stunned that I was so ignorant to how different that must be for a woman that is in a (possibly good) marriage. That kiss was a buyers remorse booster and I should have known.

Since 35+ HBs are not so easy to find here (most of them are in relationships, have kids, plus that people that age rarely partake in the night (club)life in Germany in general has limited my experience with them to a degree (unfortunately). I´d say that 75-80% of the women I game and k or f-close are younger then 30. Being somewhat reckless and very bold is a must with them for me, because even though I have good game I think and look very good (which is more important the younger a woman is, that´s a fact), the age difference is a big issue that needs to be overcome by establishing a very dominant cocky frame. That´s what I got used to and what I applied here as well to the very end. That was wrong.

Now that I´m at it afew words about age difference. How much a problem being much older or much younger then your target is, depends very much on where you are, and what cultural background your target has. Here in Germany f.e. social circles usually consist of individuals that are roughly the same age. So no matter how good I am, a good 50% of the younger women will not seriously consider sleeping with a guy my age. They might respond well at first, feel flattered, flirt aso, but social conventions are often too strong. Those who do get laid by me usually consider me to be a (hopefully) enriching experience, rather then relationship material - which suits me of course - while the older women have a very strong relationship oriented frame. I have noticed that in other countries, f.e. the former yugoslavian countries where I originate from, these kind of age issues don´t exist. You will find groups of friends hanging out where the span between the youngest and the oldest member of the circle can be 30 years and more and I like that a lot. It´s a win-win situation: The youngsters profit from the insight and coolness the elders have to offer, while the olders get pushed by the energy and enthusiasm of the younger folks. If you are say between 18 and 50 years old you are perceived as a man full stop. If you are cool and have something attractive going for yourself the HBs will not care how young or old you are. That is real nice of course. Actually, since I´m used to western european ways of living I often felt flattered but kinda uncomfortable, found it even hard to believe when 17-19 year old girls would hit on me. But the last time I spent a longer time down there was 3 years ago, before I got into PU. So it shouldn´t be a surprise that I´m looking forward to my next visit to my genetic home-turf Not to mention that the balkans seem to breed more gorgeous girls, that display an almost offensive womanliness then any other place I´ve been to so far...

But hey I´m getting carried away here, this age issue is maybe something I should write a post about in "general questions, rather then in this thread. Just got carried away, letting my thoughts wander and my fingers fly over the keyboard. as I said. So I´ll stop babbling away right HERE!

Dude, that was just rude. If I was the AFC, I would have punched you in your cocky-ass face. Pickup is no excuse for being a fucking douche.

Yes it is a fine line. And actually it did happen to me once that I got knocked out by a guy who´s girl I hit on.
Hope you feel better knowing that.