I am not sure this is a newbie topic but I think will be of interest to people here.

We are taught in our society that submission is bad - or not what people out to be. But I am starting to think that women are naturally submissive and like to men to take charge. I am not talking about spanking here. Basic things like planning what we do on a date - rather than just asking the women what she fancies. Surprising her etc.

I think a woman wants a strong man who doesn't exactly boss her around but wears the trousers and makes the decisions.

I realise this is not exactly PC stuff. What do people think?

Can go deeper of course. In bed I think a woman wants to be 'taken' - wants a man to get really turned on and almost devour her. She wants to feel wanted and desired.

You are SOOOOO wrong. We are taught in our society to submit to "authority" without any questions. A real man does not submit to authority. A real man will take what an "authority" figure has to say and make up their own mind.

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I disagree with what Chio said, because I don't think it has any validity on this subject.

Women ARE submissive by nature, that's how they have evolved, like it or not. Anthropologists will tell you the exact same thing. Women LOVE to be taken and made to do what we desire, as long as it is in the context of respect and care, whether that be lust, or love.

Not many things will turn a girl on as quickly as pinning her hands above her head while you make out with her and use you other hand to explore her body. A feeling of loss of control is a huge desire for women and if you don't believe this, then I encourage you to read My Secret Garden by Nancy Friday, it is an archive of women's fantasies and secret sexual desires.

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Everytime i ask a girl what her ultimate fantasy is they always tell me something stupid like being taken to some place and bein in a jacuzzi with a man, thats what one told me anyway, i think most dont know what their sexual fantasies are, or they would'nt tell you anyway.
Can if tell me abit more about this book, what would you rate it of 10? I'll check it out on amazon.

Some women iv known act assertive but you know they're really submissive, its something that has puzzled me, i think your right though.

Very true Mozy, a lot of women don't have any clue what their fantasies are, even though they do have them, which is one thing that the author goes over quite a lot, because she found the same thing when she'd ask other women about their fantasies. What's truly amazing though, is how incredibly dirty so many women are, but you wouldn't even think it. I found it kinda amazing that about 1/5 of the fantasies had the girl making mention of animals or incest, or other things that people "don't think about".

I'd say that it is a really excellent look into the female psyche if you aren't very knowledgable and if you are, then it's still quite interesting, if not enlightening. I'd give it an 8.5 maybe a 9. It's cheap too, so quite worth the $10 or whatever it was.

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I'll definatly check this out some time man. Sounds intresting

Chio I know it's tempting to do mass replies to every thread in sight to bump up your post count, but please make sure to actually read them first. He's not telling you or any other man to be submissive, he's making an observation that women instinctively like to be submissive.
You are absolutely correct, women like to be submissive to their men. This is because of a combination of physiology and psychology. Women usually weigh about half as much as their male counterparts, their body composition is usually much higher in fat and lower in muscle mass. They know that they are probably physically weaker and slower than every man she'll ever be attracted to, so she knows instinctively that it is her role to be submissive to him. All this new age crap about being equal in relationships is just nonsense, sure there are decisions that are made with mutual consent but it is important that the man be the man in the relationship.

Another point, and I'm going to be very blunt here: women have vaginas. Vaginas are holes. During intercourse, it is the man who takes the aggressive actions of penetrating her with his dick, and it is her passive acceptance or submission to this act that allows sex to occur. Someone once said there can be no attraction without domination, no sex without violation. In women's minds, they know that no matter how dominating and strong she may be outside the bedroom prior to sex, once in the bedroom she must give up a great deal of that power and allow herself to be violated or there can be no sex.

This is non-PC I know, but it's the truth. And don't misinterpret this as an invitation to rape, which I view as something punishable by castration, rather as the truth that modern society would hide...thus creating generations of AFC's that don't know how to talk to a woman, let alone fuck one.

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I agree Roads. What you say about women having to submit to a man, to allow him into her, is completely right. She can be as dominant as she wants and even have whips and shackles if she likes, but the instant she lets a guy stick his dick in her, she's allowing him inside her boundries...literally.

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It's interesting you bring this up, because I have thought aout this quite alot myself. Indeed, women are meant to submissive. I've dated two wierd super liberal girls and when I got them in the sack, it involved me putting my hand over their mouth when they were sitting on my lap. Basically, cavemanning them into submission and pinning them into submission. One of them got absolutely addicted to my cock the other was less appreciative but I still banged her a few more times.

Recently, on a date, I was playing phonetag with a girl and told her that "I'll go wherever you wanna gol." She says, "I don't know won't you just decide already."

In total frustration.

Girls like men who decide.

I think my new approach is, open up communication, express interest in her but not too great, when she reciprocates, make it absolutely clear she is with you and that you wear the trousers, be good to her.

I think women appreciate the certainty that comes along with submission as well, they are nestbuilders at heart so do not like unsure situations, an assertive, direct and seemingly powerful man is desirable by a woman for reasons, that in his decisiveness he will be staying around.

You have hit the nail on the head there I think. The thing about sending mixed signals links to this because she does not know if she will be pursued or not. But she wants to be pursued. If there is uncertainty she tries to trigger the male to pursue more - ie by flirting.

The woman lures and the man chases. If the luring proves more of a challenge she just tries harder.

But when the deal is done, ie you get to the point where it is inevitable then I think the man should make all decisions. Tell her where she is going. Let her know what is going to happen to her. That's what a woman really wants.

Women don't want to make the decisions. This is not just about dating.

look at it this way...a women is a women plain and simple..a women wants a man..a man must have manly charateristics..if a women wants a b***h then she might as well be a lesbian..now this is very generally speaking...there are certain exception but thats basically it..