I dont believe that girls are actually really that attracted to alpha males.

All i see is beta males with hot chicks everywhere, and alpha males catch only lots of ugly girls.



IM Brazilian and currently traveling in Switzerland and eastern Europe.

This isn't a trick question I'm just curious, but what would you personally define being alpha and beta as? Because in my opinion being alpha is pretty important, but a lot of people have a misconception about what alpha actually is.

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the thing is, alpha male nowdays would be a rich good looking, good talking, smart inteligent, funny shameless and brave guy right?

All i see is bad looking shy, stupid, and poor guys, with the hotest girls. At least in my city.

I think they believe that if u are too good, u not gonna be loyal.

well these beta males are providing for the hot chicks. Doesn't mean those hot chicks are loyal to the beta's

but you don't know if these beta males are really beta. They may have something that attracts these girls.


Ugly girls: Getting attention from a hot guy is like gold to them, so they take it when they can.

but then again Alpha males can range in their self esteem. They may have the same insecurities we do when it comes to hot chicks and go only for those they know they can score with.

But that is how I see it. I have heard time and again from the mouths of girls that their man is just buying them this or that and that is the only reason she has him around. Kinda fucked up, but that's real life.

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Im good looking rich guy clever inteligent and smart, who knows a lot about pua, and a lot about female psycology, i was very shy but im not anymore. But i cant catch hot girls, i go out a lot try it hard, i have some pua friends in brasilia who actually happens to be the owner of the maybe biggest pua company in brasil.

We go out and catch girls, but never the top ones. So i wonder is our game sucha failure, or hot girls arent so easily attracted by alpha characteristics?

I have this swiss friend who is very much into choco girls, mix betwen black and white who exist in brazil. And I am more like a european babyface Swedish doll lover.

In brasilia theres like 5 or maximum 10% of the girls the way i like, i mean more european style. ive noticed that pretty much of the society here is crazy about them also. (makes it a great place for choco lovers right?)

So, these 5 lets say average 8% of the society(european good looking girls) are very oftern walking around hands to hands in the cinema with not so good looking choco guys, ( these ones in brazil usually happens to have not so much money) and another part of this girls, walks around hands to hands with thise white shy boy who enjoys rock music wich for the brasilian society is pretty nerdy.

I would say probably i get like 2 % of the girls the way i like, and how many of these girls go out in nightlife? around 1% maybe 0,5% when they are single and i stilll have to fight for them against other guys.

So, it explains a bit about it. But taking a very good look at it, I have tryed to seduce and do a very hardcore alpha male game, and i guess i have seduced the girl, but at the same time i have shown her a lot of interest. So she usually they because i havent done this only one single time. start showing me some sort of automatic rejection ( like alpha in love = rejection for him).

I sometimes think is she actually attracted, or did my alpha behavior cause some sort of repulse on her?

I have 2 theories , one is:
The fact that you are alpha doesnt really bring much of the attraction on them.

Second:
Being an alpha actually turns them on but, unfortunally you are probably not gonna be loyal enought to keep a long term relationship, wich for me is obviously what hot woman want, because is basically impossible to catch like 4 5 hb10 in a single night, wich is theoretically easy acording to pua knowledge.

Ok im going too far. ill take it easy, we can discuss more i can explain more about my theories, i really think, pua is far from the truth of whats going on in womans mind, but its a start. Some stuff really works.

By the way im traveling in eastern europe now, and girls here are really lovelly.

why do i have 159 and only 1 reply?

Would u guys mind saying something?

hum?

In the animal world, the alpha male is at the top of the social hierarchy. But human beings are not gorillas, pounding you're chest and 'acting alpha' is not gonna put you there. Leadership is more complicated than that.
I have a very hard time believing this. EDIT: On second thought, I believe you see it, I just don't think you see that accurately.

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Whats the best field? Day game, night game?

None of these, best field is what i call channel also call it forced living environment.

schools and universities and work places, and stuff like that, places tha put you and the woman togheter for some reason for a long period of time. this is where 99% of the relationship starts. IN this field yeah a little bit of alpha male is always good. In sucha field you have so much advantage compared to all the other guys who tries to day game or night game her. Because she will recognize you as a guy from the tribe, woman evolution came mostly during war tribe historical period, and they learned that they should not fuck around with someone from another tribe specially if its an enemy tribe, thats why they care so much about this I DONT KNOW YOU bullshit.

imagine a medieval woman who fucks around with a guy from another tribe specially an enemy tribe, the girl would be killed together with the baby!

so i guess woman are indeed atracted by alpha stuff, but mostly important is the fact that the guy belongs to the tribe or not, if she knows him, and if she feels safe with him, because it doesnt matter how good the guy is, she wants to be always safe, and to know that this guy isnt gonna beat her ass down whenever he gets angry with some shit she does.

I believe most of the pick up comunity is too optimistic, fake lying and they dont really say the truth about how hard it is to actually pick up a girl in day game or night game, i mean a GOOD quality girl. not just a 3 out of 10, thats pretty easy anywhere.

for me main problem with pua,is that people take the basics as proven scientific facts, common, just break it down please, does someone agree on me that some woman are looking for beta males?

I think hot woman wants beta cos they feel safer, ugly woman ye these ones are surelly looking for alpha, thats why i catch so many

Primitive human societies are one dimensional. A tribe will basically only have one leader and probably a priest. It's like a gorilla society where there is only one alpha male.

Modern human societies are multidimensional. Instead of the tribe concept, we have the social cell concept. Your neighborhood is one social cell. Your office is one social cell. Your classroom is one social cell and so on. Here, read more about propinquity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propinquity

Advanced PUAs use propinquity to their advantage leveraging on the fact that modern human societies are multidimensional. What propinquity and modern human societies imply is that there can be many alpha males in your neighborhood or university.

Modern human societies have contextual alpha males. The police station captain is the alpha male while an ordinary patrolman who is the only police officer living in your neighborhood will be an alpha male. But if among your neighbors, you have a bank manager in there, that bank manager is also an alpha male. You get the drift. One neighborhood can have as many as 12 alpha males maybe more.

As to your assertion that women go for beta males, YES they do. Several scientific studies support this. But since I'm running out of time (I have a f-close to deal with one hour from now), I'll link the studies later. Most women marry the nice guy beta male and cheat on the side with the bad boy alpha male.

I'm not saying that all nice guys are beta males. That's not scientifically true. Nor is it true that all bad boys are alpha males. Some bad boys are beta males. As I've said, modern human societies have contextual alpha males.

We no longer live in one dimensional tribes. We are more advanced than gorillas. Hence, the traditional PUA concept of the alpha male is very much flawed to a very huge degree.

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Something has to be wrong with your game. Seduction requires attention and time. If you are alpha, you know how to get attention and how to maintain it.

People like people who are like themselves, so you need to create rapport, "enter their spirit". If the girl is insecure, play insecure yourself, not "alpha". But you should only do this in the beginning, until they feel comfortable in your company.

You are also supposed to be a person that can give the girl what other's can't. For instance, HB10's are used to attention due to their looks, they are used to compliments, and they hate it. What they want is a guy who can appreciate their intelligence and persona. And a last thing, don't validate them too much!

Hellhound is right. How girls assess Alpha is much different in a complex society.

Also, just because a guy is Alpha doesn't mean a whole lot in terms of getting a beautiful girl. Girls will send all sorts of IOIs to who they perceive as being Alpha, but that doesn't mean that the Alpha will respond. Girls hardly ever approach guys in normal settings.

In addition, just because a guy is at the top of the social hierarchy doesn't mean that he is going to be really smooth with women. I think everyone can relate with how many successful, confident men that are at the top of their organizations that simply fall apart when trying to approach or seduce. The social dynamics might be in place where the girl is receptive, but then the guy arrives and falls apart and the attraction fails.

Alpha in our day tends to be the most confident and able to sway others with words. Obviously height and build have a lot to do with it, but brain power and eloquence usually captivate the others. Interestingly, when surveying guys in the workplace, it is social skills that creates the most jealousy from men, nothing else.

The tall, muscular, intelligent, witty, handsome, confident, charming, seductive guy will most certainly be able to pick any girl he wants. Interestingly, when you are able to have whatever girl you want, you start to notice that beautiful women are extraordinarily insecure and needy. You might just find that you are drawn to a less attractive girl who is also confident, attractive, intelligent, sexual, charming, and faithful.