Since joining the seduction community, I’ve spent a significant amount of time learning game with others usually off the forums. It became apparent early on that I had an advantage. I want to share this with others.

The majority of guys seem to come from a history of failure with women. They have limited standards and expect very little from their interactions. Most are happy just to get a phone number or a kiss. For me, this is nothing.

It seems that they are bought into the idea maybe from PUA marketing that you can stick with their personality and attitude and add some routines, that this will somehow transform their results.

Very little focus is placed on confidence, getting physical and leading the interaction. The conversations guys have are very friendly, non-threatening. Likely to result in flaky numbers and defiantly no lays. Because of this, the guys start approaching women who are not physically attractive ‘fat girls, older women’ etc.

They watch so called ‘bad boys’ approach teen HB9/HB10s and treat them with little respect, being sexual with them, touching them all over the dance floor, and ultimately taking them home. They think that they could never do that. Wrong!

I have learnt that the key is to adopt a masculine approach. You must open direct, not necessarily about her appearance but defiantly by making an observation about her, how she’s dressed, and the way she is acting. From the get go you must be physical, get her used to you touching her arm, shoulder. This sets the foundations for sexual escalation mid to late into the interaction.

Within the first few minutes, I always place a challenge to the girl. This sets the tone that I have standards. If she tries to meet them it’s a good indication that I have a chance with her.

The next step is that I always lead shortly after the challenge. If necessary I will build some wide rapport and compliment personality traits before I do this. It’s important to say “Lets get a drink”, “Come on lets sit down” if you want to take her home, you must adopt a leader follower frame.

Its important that you lead her to a place where you can build rapport wide and deep. If you make a connection whilst at the same time escalate your kino, there's little reason why you should not succeed.
At the end of the night I would be hinting on where the nights going to take us or just making excuses. ‘Lets get out of here and go for something to eat’, ‘I have the best bottle of wine ever, lets go to mine to have it’ 'I live in the best place in town, you have to see it, lets go' It's important overall that she believes your attraction for her is both sexual and romantic. That you have chosen her for personality not just her body.

Summary

1. Be Direct – Make observations and assumptions
2. Be Physical – Touch her to emphasis points
3. Be Challenging – Make sure you tell her what you like in women and ask her if she meets your standard
4. Be Leading – Make sure you take her hand, walk her around the venue, sit her down and dance with her
5. Be Closing – Have a few logical reasons to go back to your place other than sexual. This ensures the girl has total plausible deniability.

What do you mean by challenge her? Give an example, because that was very vague.

Good post, I think what he means by challenge is, classical one is for her to buy him a drink. Would it be bad to challenge her to get the venusian artist a movie ticket?

Indeed I would very much like to hear some more about the subject.

You see: there seems to be a fundamental truth about what you are stating; but I`d like an example of an interaction to really get to understand those principles.

Nothing`s more clear then when you set an example of your point, so if you can please describe to us a normal interaction where you attract some girl I would appreciate it.

Try reading this:

http://www.authenticpua.com/dating-arti ... -by-colin/

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The best thing i've read about escalation is the compliance ladder. It comes from "Chief's guide to outer game" in the lounge of this very same forum. Tremendous stuff with lots of examples.

Good advice, but too general. You need to give more specific examples of what you mean by a challenge.

Make observations and Assumptions? I am not clear what you mean. Observations and assumptions about
what? Please give examples.

needforspeed, I understand what you are talking about. yes it was vague and lacks examples, but I have been at this a few years now and I have witnessed and experienced some of the things you mention.

To begin with, you are spot on about the confidence factor. I had a lot of game, lines, tricks and routines, but I lacked confidence. Consequently I went after less attractive women and my success rate was almost 100%. So the more attractive the HB was, the less likely I felt like leading her and actually believe my position and posture. Thus, I would crash and burn with the HB8's and above. In the back of my mind, I was thinking there is no way she likes me despite all of my new knowledge about girls, women etc. So yes, you really need to concentrate on confidence and believe in yourself and focus on seeing yourself as worthy of the HB's attention and affection.

However, I have found that the indirect approach is the best. However, shortly after I open her and get IOI's, then I begin to shift and lead her. And yes, kino'ing her is the best way to not only build attraction and make her comfortable but it also builds a rapport with her.

Example
Setting -- Department store.
Babe - HB8
I grab a coffee maker off the shelf and approach HB8

Me: Hey, do you think this is a good wedding gift. (hold up coffee maker)
Her: (shrugs). Thats ok. Do they like coffee?
Me: I know the groom and yes he does. But I wanted to get something a little more expensive. A coffee pot is a little cheap but its what they registered for. Do you have any ideas?
Her: Sure, you can always get nice china.
Me: Thats a good idea. I saw some on the shelf. If I pick one, (I smile and say jokingly) I'll get your opinion if ou're gonna be around for a bit.
Her: I'm just picking out towels for my new apartment. I'll be here for a moment.
Me: Gosh (I touch her lightly on ther arm). I don't mean to make you my pesonal wedding advisor! (I chuckle)
Her: (chuckles) its ok. I know guys that do that sort of thing anyway.

(fast forward 20 minutes. I never actually went and got the china. I've touched her several times while I hit her with filler talk. I let her know I got to go and I'm in a rush so the coffee maker will have to do. I hug her after and thank her for her advice. I sneak in a kiss on the forehead )

Me: I'm sorry...Whats your name?
Her: Amanda (she's wide-eyed now. this kiss on the forehead has caught her off gaurd..)

Two days later I'm picking her up after some text messages about me being bored at the wedding. I actually never went to but I used it to continue the text conversation since she had a minor interest in me going. Trust me lame texts about "hey its me. The guy you met yesterday" have a 50/50 shot of keeping her talking to you. Anyway, I hug and kiss her when she comes out. She isn't expecting the kiss, but I want to lead. I'm assuming its ok. I'm assuming she is somewhat interested at me. An hour later we're having drinks and I'm telling her some bullshit about the wedding I never been too moving the conversation away from the ruse and to some routines and rapport builders......

So on and so forth boyz. You get the idea. I did lay her after a month. Not as soon as I would like, but I did nonetheless.

As far as your complimenting her comment need, YOU ARE CORRECT. I have found that I have less success with her girls when I go all goo goo eyed on her. But when I open them, and say little or nothing about their looks they love it. I even had a girl tell me after our first date, she liked me I was cool. She said I wasn't telling her how good she looked and trying to impress her....When I'm sarging I'm complimenting her hair, shoes, the fact that her shoes match her shirt, "oh you're wearing eyeliner today", is that a new hair do....you get the point.

Finally, you continue to lead her and escalate. After each milestone means you move on to the next point of escalation. And take it from personal experience NEVER ever slow on escalation or stop escalating. Perfect example, married HB. We struck up an attraction over a 6 month period. Before you say anything -- she was a co worker. To keep it brief, once I got her interested in me, she would say stuff like "I don't know how I can be in love with my husband and attracted to you." "I had a dream last night. Me, you, bathroom -- me on the counter. We worked late last night and were the last ones to leave. blah blah." and finally, "...I'm telling you how attracted I am to you and you're acting like its no big deal." At the latter comment, I had chilled out. Figured I had the pussy in the bag. But I was playing against an often unseen adversary. Her concious. As my friend later told me, "she was hot and ready. You should have pounced." But I didn't. And, she started feeling guilty about wanting to cheat on her hubby. So she ended it before it began. She did tell me I could have had her at any point before I started feeling guilty. Long story short, you must continue to escalate and lead her until her panties are down by her ankle. Don't be afraid to try and get back to her place and close. Even if it looks like you are just going but nothing's going to happen. Go anyway. I've bed'ed 3 HBs by going back to their place and talking....

As for challenging her I can't offer any advice on that. Most of my conquest found me interesting and were busy tyring to figure me out. anyway, I'm sure i'll be criticized for this post but trust me, most of what needforspeed said is right.

guybailey

We struck up an attraction over a 6 month period. Before you say anything -- she was a co worker.


Did you do any Kino on the co-worker and perhaps provide an example.
I have a co-worker HB8 that's showing interest so I'm keen to pursue it a bit further. Kinoing at work is going to be difficult. I work in finance and don't get too much isolation with her and touching her after almost a year might be a bit weird. I did solicit a peck on the cheek at a drinks night 2 weeks ago (sort of a compliance test), and a solid hug and kiss on the cheek goodbye. So maybe it wont be that weird.

Any tips would be appreciated.

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