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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:18 pm 
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This is fucking stupid, it's like watching TV, if you don't like it change the fucking Chanel!
Exactly. Now take your own advice and switch off.
Oh fuck no! This is the best train wreck ever.

It must be wonderful to be you, and have such a vast, all knowing, all seeing knowledge of all women. That YOU were able to snag the very best one ever. And have all the power to keep her for ever and ever.

You don't need to know any more. You have it all down pat.

That is a very good place to be, kudos!
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 Post subject: Re: PUA = Fail
PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:39 pm 
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I have to disagree with you N2, pickup, sad to say, works, and is very effective.

I am not going to justify all these guru's and moneymaking schemes, because you're right, they're all full of crap, but the basics of pickup - well, they're all based on tried and tested fact. I've learned a great deal from it and am very happy with what I've listened to from the 'experts' insofar as motivational speechs and what I've read on these forums as well as from the Game. I applied myself to it almost as a study and it made me a better person, and just can't see it as a bad thing. And I am in a relationship right now, albeit a casual one, with a girl who's just come out of a serious relationship herself and is perfectly happy with keeping things that way and seeing what happens. I don't think I'd ever have got anywhere if it wasn't for the Game, because I just wouldn't have known all these hidden rules, and wouldn't have been able to break my social conditioning.

Can you at least accept that in this day and age, men have been socially conditioned to put women on a pedestal and treat them as something ethereal, almost, when the hard truth is that they're just human beings like us? If we follow PUA, we learn to act and become what women really want, and what's wrong with that? I believe everyone is capable of change, and should always strive to improve themselves, and this is one of those things that anyone and everyone can get better at. Maybe I'm wrong.

Take it easy buddy, don't worry about flaming and aggresion and such, there's no call for anyone to get riled up. Unless you are just trolling, in which case, I tip my hat to you sir, mission accomplished 8)


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Maybe I'm wrong.
No you are exactly right, and that was very well said.

But remember its easier for people to get frustrated and then dismiss game and rationalize failure than do the hard work, and it is hard work, necessary to understand and act to improve their love/sex lives.


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Yes, the poor men...how hard they've had it being subjugated all these centuries...
Don’t believe the crap about the patriarchy. More women are accepted and attend college. More degrees are awarded to women than men. Women outlive men. More men commit suicide. Men are twice as likely to be victims of violence, including murder. If you consider sexual assaults in prisons, twice as many men are raped as women (society thinks prison rape is funny). The streets are littered with homeless men, sprinkled with a few homeless women. Statistically, women are happier than men. The myth that girls are being cheated by are educational system is belied by the fact that schools are bastions of femininity, mostly run by and taught by women. Girls outperform boys in school. It is the boys in school getting fucked over, and prescribed ritalin for being boys. Real wages for men are falling, while real wages for women are rising. Just because someone says something enough times, doesn’t make it true. Read a book.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:43 am 
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PUA is nothing more than fear-based, instilling the idea in guys that what they have to offer is not enough and that they have to apply a bunch of techniques to masquerade around as 'alpha males' to be a viable prospect for the women they desire.

What's ingenious about this sham is it appeals to the lack within most of us have, convinced we need to fill it with something external (e.g., goods and services - in short, being good consumers). Convince someone they are lacking something (which isn't very hard to do when they are already insecure in themselves and in need of external validation), and then tell them you have the fix/solution to remove or 'fill' that lack.

The hard truth for some of you is that pickup DOES NOT WORK. I can write a pickup manual in one line..."Women are drawn to confidant guys" - All this means is to live purposefully, live consciously (not allowing thoughts and feelings to consume you), go out there and figure out what values are important to you, who you want to be and pursue that, in short finding yourself as cliché as that may sound.

PUA is all about the quick fix, it is AT BEST a short-term panacea to loneliness but has no formulae for turning something into a real relationship, which is more egalitarian than anything else. Many so-called techniques espoused by self-proclaimed PUA gurus (who typically have no way of verifying their success to you, but rather are simply assumed to be successful with women) are designed to hit on a woman's inferiority 'buttons' so your perceived value becomes higher than hers. A lot of women are bemused with guys who use PUA techniques, and in fact will likely talk about you among her friends but more so to share in the laugh than speak about anything remotely flattering, at worse you'll come off as creepy. How is lowering one's self-esteem a healthy way of creating a potentially long-lasting fulfilling relationship? It isn't.

And for the guys who proclaim all they want is 'sew' their wild oats, you need not have any particular technique to go into a club and get laid as that's pretty much as hard as keeping afloat in a kiddie pool.

This will be too hard for many of you to accept, but PUA does not work.
I agree with some of the points you've made but you've articulated it in a manner that some people might find condescending, so it has faults in that regard. I agree that mental masturbation, step-by-step PUA is a recipe for disaster, and the people selling it are unscrupulous to say the least. I would not put well meaning life coach type people in this category, as they're genuinely trying to help others by giving practical, free advice. The thing about PUA gurus and the community in general, is that there are nuggets of wisdom that are useful and these can be used to better oneself - on the condition that you only take what you need out of it, i.e the practical, common sense advice. Beyond that it's useless and can be counterproductive - absolutely.

I think if the step-by-step pickup really does work on some rare occasions, then it is done by someone who is confident. But someone who is confident doesn't need pick up techniques anyway, so it's unnecessary at best. Two of your three last lines I absolutely don't agree with. There are many men out there who find picking women up immensely difficult - evidently. I suspect (on the basis of those two lines) that you may be a woman who can't relate, or perhaps a handsome man with decent confidence. Some people really are useless, and for a multitude of reasons, and some of them are being exploited by some PUA gurus. But others may just be taking the common sense route and could be doing just fine.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:30 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:47 am 
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Yes, the poor men...how hard they've had it being subjugated all these centuries...
Don’t believe the crap about the patriarchy. More women are accepted and attend college. More degrees are awarded to women than men. Women outlive men. More men commit suicide. Men are twice as likely to be victims of violence, including murder. If you consider sexual assaults in prisons, twice as many men are raped as women (society thinks prison rape is funny). The streets are littered with homeless men, sprinkled with a few homeless women. Statistically, women are happier than men. The myth that girls are being cheated by are educational system is belied by the fact that schools are bastions of femininity, mostly run by and taught by women. Girls outperform boys in school. It is the boys in school getting fucked over, and prescribed ritalin for being boys. Real wages for men are falling, while real wages for women are rising. Just because someone says something enough times, doesn’t make it true. Read a book.
Must be fun living in your myopia.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:05 am 
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The whole basis of Neils book "the game" was the realization that he had the tools the whole time and all the PUA community did was guide him in the right direction. It was about working on his inner game. getting out and learning new things, getting out of comfort, finding what interests you. A girl doesn't sleep with you or become your girlfriend or whatever it is your seeking because of routines. Routines are only fillers guidelines to socializing. Why hate on Pua, when it helps many men improove on themselves.

Even more so. why are you even angry with it. What has it done to you


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