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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:57 am 
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The issue I have with techniques as they are panaceas or 'quick-fixes' if you will, rather than offering any real positive change. Techniques and routines cannot supplant or make-up for any perceived shortcomings you may have, rather they only perpetuate inauthenticity. There's no supplement for working on yourself and being an authentic person and techniques and routines will never be able to afford you that, in fact they'll do quite the contrary (in imbuing with the notion that what you have to offer is never good enough); in some sense relying on this is like chasing a phantom and a form of enabling behavior that will have you relying on others for material in order to maintain a relationship that's been built on inauthenticity.
There you go. This is just a marketing gimmick to position the other brand of PUA approaches as 'inauthentic' or 'fake' and the marketer's PUA approach as 'authentic'.

This is the same as positioning a PUA approach as 'natural' so that others can be positioned as 'unnatural' or 'fake'.

There's nothing inauthentic about touching in the right manner or looking at the eyes to maximize sexual attraction. Most human behaviors are learned (memes). But maximizing a physiological reaction through touch, vocalizations and sight is simply maximizing 'techniques' that are already ingrained in human genes. It's based in nature. It's within our bodies for thousands of years.

Be discerning guys. If you want to buy 'authentic' PUA products or services, ask for a free sample and let's test those infield.

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 Post subject: Re: PUA = Fail
PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:14 pm 
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I've been in a relationship for the past 5 months, which I consider far more of a success than gaming a girl for a night of empty and meaningless sex to temporarily satiate my feelings of inadequacy, much like an addict filling his veins with heroin for short-term relief only to be searching for the next-best high once the effects of the self-induced euphoria wear off.
Maybe it is, or maybe it isn't, depending on the relationship you're in and whether it's right for both of you, whether it's true love or whatever you might ultimately be looking for. People can get into relationships for wrong reasons just like they can look for sexual gratification for the wrong reasons. Interesting that you say you've succeeded because you're in a relationship but not a word about this relationship making you happy or fulfilled.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:48 pm 
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I actually agree with the OP. Sure some of these schemes work. But honestly the way to truly be successful with women and life doesn't have anything to do with this PUA crap.

Read this thread. I couldn't say it any better than he does.
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I'm "tarring" the technique, not the people who use it.
You say this, so please respond to my previous point of:

But if a number of techniques that you deem useless actually help someone feel and become confident, then what does it matter if the routine itself isn't great?

The issue I have with techniques as they are panaceas or 'quick-fixes' if you will, rather than offering any real positive change. Techniques and routines cannot supplant or make-up for any perceived shortcomings you may have, rather they only perpetuate inauthenticity. There's no supplement for working on yourself and being an authentic person and techniques and routines will never be able to afford you that, in fact they'll do quite the contrary (in imbuing with the notion that what you have to offer is never good enough); in some sense relying on this is like chasing a phantom and a form of enabling behavior that will have you relying on others for material in order to maintain a relationship that's been built on inauthenticity.
I understand where you're coming from, but from my experience and experience of others in 'the game', the techniques are a mere building block towards being more confident with your own identity. For me at least, there was a natural progression from the reliance on techniques to not using them at all. I think you may be misconstruing the use of techniques; they are not there to fill a gap and be a quick-fix, but to help a person towards a long-term improvement.

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This is fucking stupid, it's like watching TV, if you don't like it change the fucking Chanel!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:41 am 
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I'm "tarring" the technique, not the people who use it.
You say this, so please respond to my previous point of:

But if a number of techniques that you deem useless actually help someone feel and become confident, then what does it matter if the routine itself isn't great?

The issue I have with techniques as they are panaceas or 'quick-fixes' if you will, rather than offering any real positive change. Techniques and routines cannot supplant or make-up for any perceived shortcomings you may have, rather they only perpetuate inauthenticity. There's no supplement for working on yourself and being an authentic person and techniques and routines will never be able to afford you that, in fact they'll do quite the contrary (in imbuing with the notion that what you have to offer is never good enough); in some sense relying on this is like chasing a phantom and a form of enabling behavior that will have you relying on others for material in order to maintain a relationship that's been built on inauthenticity.[/quote]

I understand where you're coming from, but from my experience and experience of others in 'the game', the techniques are a mere building block towards being more confident with your own identity. For me at least, there was a natural progression from the reliance on techniques to not using them at all. I think you may be misconstruing the use of techniques; they are not there to fill a gap and be a quick-fix, but to help a person towards a long-term improvement.

The vast majority of PUA material is designed to ACT, rather than BE a certain way. You can't really teach somebody to be cocky funny if its not in their personality to begin with, no more than you can force an more introverted person to be extroverted. Most of the people using these techniques are in fact using them to avoid doing any meaningful work on themselves, and sadly many of the techniques and routines are counter-productive as they make you look stodgy, manipulative, or just socially aloof. In addition, many of the techniques are designed to make the target feel insecure about herself, or at a minimum embellish one's value in implicit or explicit ways. Giving a woman an off-handed compliment is typically one of the worst ways to win her over, to any guy who has actually had success with more than a few women.

Techniques such as false barriers, or qualifiers are hardly even techniques - do you really need a book to tell you to qualify people? It's actually called having standards, and to have volumous chapters dedicated to this PUA 'concept' is laughable, but perhaps intended as a tool for the socially inept.

Most PUA material will hamper a guy with decent game as its far too regimented (a physically escalation ladder? REALLY???), and requires a guy to be constantly 'in his head' to figure out what to do next on countless possible behavioral responses by his target. PUA is probably one of the worst things I'd encountered with respect to 'gaming' women. Being authentic and jettisoning this crap to the garbage from whence it came was the best thing I had did pickup-wise over the past year.

But hey, don't feel the need to convince me. Be daring, try actually being yourself for once and see what kind of results you get, perhaps you'll be surprised.


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This is fucking stupid, it's like watching TV, if you don't like it change the fucking Chanel!
Exactly. Now take your own advice and switch off.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:50 am 
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I guess his previous 22 posts didn't help him.

I love all your assertions with no attendant facts, evidence, theory, or statistics. You have succeeded in convincing one person that your failures are acceptable without further effort - yourself. Everyone else thinks you are a fool.
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When's the posting of affiliate links and/or own material start?
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I guess his previous 22 posts didn't help him.

I love all your assertions with no attendant facts, evidence, theory, or statistics. You have succeeded in convincing one person that your failures are acceptable without further effort - yourself. Everyone else thinks you are a fool.
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When's the posting of affiliate links and/or own material start?
Steve's got that covered per usual on the third post down.

Pretty much what this whole board and PUA is built upon...

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Why are you trolling? Does this feed your need for significance? Why do you need this conflict in your life? You are not adding, you are taking.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:00 am 
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I've been in a relationship for the past 5 months, which I consider far more of a success than gaming a girl for a night of empty and meaningless sex to temporarily satiate my feelings of inadequacy, much like an addict filling his veins with heroin for short-term relief only to be searching for the next-best high once the effects of the self-induced euphoria wear off.
Even if your assumption was correct about all men craving one night stands (it's not), why come in here as part of some crusade? I don't think being a stripper is healthy, but I don't waste my time prying a girl off the pole and convincing her she should go to college.

Society divides and conquers. Unlike women who have advocates looking out for them (NOW, Women’s Study Departments, government, non-profit organizations, political advocacy groups) almost no one is looking out for men. There should be more of a fraternity among us and sites like this encourage that. We are on our own. Surely you understand this?

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Unlike women who have advocates looking out for them (NOW, Women’s Study Departments, government, non-profit organizations, political advocacy groups) almost no one is looking out for men.
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confidence is the attractive trait but some people use pickup to install confidence.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:51 pm 
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This is fucking stupid, it's like watching TV, if you don't like it change the fucking Chanel!
Exactly. Now take your own advice and switch off.
Oh fuck no! This is the best train wreck ever.

It must be wonderful to be you, and have such a vast, all knowing, all seeing knowledge of all women. That YOU were able to snag the very best one ever. And have all the power to keep her for ever and ever.

You don't need to know any more. You have it all down pat.

That is a very good place to be, kudos!

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I've been in a relationship for the past 5 months, which I consider far more of a success than gaming a girl for a night of empty and meaningless sex to temporarily satiate my feelings of inadequacy, much like an addict filling his veins with heroin for short-term relief only to be searching for the next-best high once the effects of the self-induced euphoria wear off.
Even if your assumption was correct about all men craving one night stands (it's not), why come in here as part of some crusade? I don't think being a stripper is healthy, but I don't waste my time prying a girl off the pole and convincing her she should go to college.

Society divides and conquers. Unlike women who have advocates looking out for them (NOW, Women’s Study Departments, government, non-profit organizations, political advocacy groups) almost no one is looking out for men. There should be more of a fraternity among us and sites like this encourage that. We are on our own. Surely you understand this?
Yes, the poor men...how hard they've had it being subjugated all these centuries...


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