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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:06 am 
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How is someone supposed to maintain any sort of confidence or self esteem if all they ever experience is rejection or even worse, silent rejection.
I have had a 0% success rate since my girlfriend and I broke up. And to be honest, before her I had no success either, she was my first girlfriend.
Within the past few months, I have gone out a lot.
I have closed a few numbers but have had no dates whatsoever. It has been very painful.
The worst part about this process is I have no way of learning from my mistakes because the rejections are really just situations gone cold.
For the most part, the girls I have been approaching act interested and even ask me if I want their phone number after we have chatted for a while. They often approach me and open me in bars.
They propose "2nd day" ideas and show interest, genuine or not...Maybe girls give out their number to end an unpleasant conversation now or something...
Anyways, after one or two texts they stop responding. Or they usually don't even pick up when I call for the first time even though they offered there number to me.

Most recently I broke the ice with this Hb that takes the train with me everyday. We both go to the same train station and we sit at the same bench for the same train. I have seen her around for a few weeks now. One day we ended up getting into the same car of the train and I worked up the courage to open her. She had her headphones on so I wrote "Good morning, you have your headphones on" and showed her my phone so I wouldnt have to awkwardly talk over her music.
She smiled then took one of her earphones off. I told her I had been taking the train for a while and I only started seeing her recently and I asked if she recently moved her. She said she recently started a new job in the area. She was pleasant and asked me where I worked and so forth. She seemed really shy though. She spoke very quietly. When she got to her stop she asked me for my name we shook hands and she left... I felt I was very relaxed because there wasn't any pressure. I knew I could ask her for her number later on if I wanted to and we would chat again because I see her everyday. So I could get to know her however I wanted...
I haven't seen her since I opened her that day and its been about 2 weeks. So she clearly went out of her way and changed her method of transportation just to avoid having someone to talk to in the mornings.
Sometimes I cannot believe how alienated I feel by people.
I feel like I try my hardest and people show absolutely no effort to be friendly back. I think I have a genuine presence, Im a very descent looking guy, Ive been told I have a very honest warm but somewhat nervous aura.

I just don't get why women treat me like I have leprosy.

Any advise would help.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:32 am 
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How is someone supposed to maintain any sort of confidence or self esteem if all they ever experience is rejection or even worse, silent rejection.
I have had a 0% success rate since my girlfriend and I broke up. And to be honest, before her I had no success either, she was my first girlfriend.
Within the past few months, I have gone out a lot.
I have closed a few numbers but have had no dates whatsoever. It has been very painful.
The worst part about this process is I have no way of learning from my mistakes because the rejections are really just situations gone cold.
For the most part, the girls I have been approaching act interested and even ask me if I want their phone number after we have chatted for a while. They often approach me and open me in bars.
They propose "2nd day" ideas and show interest, genuine or not...Maybe girls give out their number to end an unpleasant conversation now or something...
Anyways, after one or two texts they stop responding. Or they usually don't even pick up when I call for the first time even though they offered there number to me.

Most recently I broke the ice with this Hb that takes the train with me everyday. We both go to the same train station and we sit at the same bench for the same train. I have seen her around for a few weeks now. One day we ended up getting into the same car of the train and I worked up the courage to open her. She had her headphones on so I wrote "Good morning, you have your headphones on" and showed her my phone so I wouldnt have to awkwardly talk over her music.
She smiled then took one of her earphones off. I told her I had been taking the train for a while and I only started seeing her recently and I asked if she recently moved her. She said she recently started a new job in the area. She was pleasant and asked me where I worked and so forth. She seemed really shy though. She spoke very quietly. When she got to her stop she asked me for my name we shook hands and she left... I felt I was very relaxed because there wasn't any pressure. I knew I could ask her for her number later on if I wanted to and we would chat again because I see her everyday. So I could get to know her however I wanted...
I haven't seen her since I opened her that day and its been about 2 weeks. So she clearly went out of her way and changed her method of transportation just to avoid having someone to talk to in the mornings.
Sometimes I cannot believe how alienated I feel by people.
I feel like I try my hardest and people show absolutely no effort to be friendly back. I think I have a genuine presence, Im a very descent looking guy, Ive been told I have a very honest warm but somewhat nervous aura.

I just don't get why women treat me like I have leprosy.

Any advise would help.
quit worrying about phone numbers like it is some sort of fucking trophy. there's my first piece of solid advice.

second.... quit being so fucking nice! You have the right idea with the whole "being creative" thing... Putting "Good Morning, You have your head phones on" in your phone... Instead, RIP HER FUCKING HEAD PHONES OFF AND SAY "HEY! I'M TALKING! SHOWS OVER HERE!" AND SMILE! You being different is good... But just toughen up a little bit. Quit being so afraid of rejection. Not every girl is going to reject you... but alot of them will


Think back to when you were a little kid... You saw fire. It looks pretty and cool and fun.... So you get closer to it. Touch it. BAM! It burns you. So now you have this image in your head that you carry with you for the rest of your life that "Hmmmm If I touch fire, I'm gonna burn myself" YOURE DOING THE SAME THING WITH WOMEN! You aren't always gonna get burnt. Instead of focusing on getting phone numbers... Establish some rapport and a connection. If it goes no where... Fuck it. You had the interaction. You learned from it. Figure out what you did next. YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP (EVEN THROUGH THE PHONE/TEXT) with every girl you interact with. FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANT AND REALIZE THAT YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE.

I went through a divorce so I went through the same thing as you did man... Your really have to sit down and think to yourself "WHAT THE FUCK DO I WANT IN A WOMAN?!" and look for THAT. Not just the hole between her legs. Women are VERY instinctive creatures and can pick up on the fact that you are desperate and looking for anything REALLY QUICKLY. They don't want to feel like they are "some other girl" they want to feel special... Because you are a special guy, they will want to feel like a special girl. And if you don't feel that you are a special guy... They will know that.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:11 am 
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How is someone supposed to maintain any sort of confidence or self esteem if all they ever experience is rejection or even worse, silent rejection.
I have had a 0% success rate since my girlfriend and I broke up. And to be honest, before her I had no success either, she was my first girlfriend.
Within the past few months, I have gone out a lot.
I have closed a few numbers but have had no dates whatsoever. It has been very painful.
The worst part about this process is I have no way of learning from my mistakes because the rejections are really just situations gone cold.
For the most part, the girls I have been approaching act interested and even ask me if I want their phone number after we have chatted for a while. They often approach me and open me in bars.
They propose "2nd day" ideas and show interest, genuine or not...Maybe girls give out their number to end an unpleasant conversation now or something...
Anyways, after one or two texts they stop responding. Or they usually don't even pick up when I call for the first time even though they offered there number to me.

Most recently I broke the ice with this Hb that takes the train with me everyday. We both go to the same train station and we sit at the same bench for the same train. I have seen her around for a few weeks now. One day we ended up getting into the same car of the train and I worked up the courage to open her. She had her headphones on so I wrote "Good morning, you have your headphones on" and showed her my phone so I wouldnt have to awkwardly talk over her music.
She smiled then took one of her earphones off. I told her I had been taking the train for a while and I only started seeing her recently and I asked if she recently moved her. She said she recently started a new job in the area. She was pleasant and asked me where I worked and so forth. She seemed really shy though. She spoke very quietly. When she got to her stop she asked me for my name we shook hands and she left... I felt I was very relaxed because there wasn't any pressure. I knew I could ask her for her number later on if I wanted to and we would chat again because I see her everyday. So I could get to know her however I wanted...
I haven't seen her since I opened her that day and its been about 2 weeks. So she clearly went out of her way and changed her method of transportation just to avoid having someone to talk to in the mornings.
Sometimes I cannot believe how alienated I feel by people.
I feel like I try my hardest and people show absolutely no effort to be friendly back. I think I have a genuine presence, Im a very descent looking guy, Ive been told I have a very honest warm but somewhat nervous aura.

I just don't get why women treat me like I have leprosy.

Any advise would help.
quit worrying about phone numbers like it is some sort of fucking trophy. there's my first piece of solid advice.

second.... quit being so fucking nice! You have the right idea with the whole "being creative" thing... Putting "Good Morning, You have your head phones on" in your phone... Instead, RIP HER FUCKING HEAD PHONES OFF AND SAY "HEY! I'M TALKING! SHOWS OVER HERE!" AND SMILE! You being different is good... But just toughen up a little bit. Quit being so afraid of rejection. Not every girl is going to reject you... but alot of them will


Think back to when you were a little kid... You saw fire. It looks pretty and cool and fun.... So you get closer to it. Touch it. BAM! It burns you. So now you have this image in your head that you carry with you for the rest of your life that "Hmmmm If I touch fire, I'm gonna burn myself" YOURE DOING THE SAME THING WITH WOMEN! You aren't always gonna get burnt. Instead of focusing on getting phone numbers... Establish some rapport and a connection. If it goes no where... Fuck it. You had the interaction. You learned from it. Figure out what you did next. YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP (EVEN THROUGH THE PHONE/TEXT) with every girl you interact with. FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANT AND REALIZE THAT YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE.

I went through a divorce so I went through the same thing as you did man... Your really have to sit down and think to yourself "WHAT THE FUCK DO I WANT IN A WOMAN?!" and look for THAT. Not just the hole between her legs. Women are VERY instinctive creatures and can pick up on the fact that you are desperate and looking for anything REALLY QUICKLY. They don't want to feel like they are "some other girl" they want to feel special... Because you are a special guy, they will want to feel like a special girl. And if you don't feel that you are a special guy... They will know that.




Im not looking for anything serious right now. I just want to have a better social life with women. And in regards to "You had the interaction. You learned from it". Thats exactly what I have the biggest problem with. Even when I do have interactions, and they are brief, I don't feel that I learned anything from it. Take the story I gave you for example. What the hell did I learn from that interaction?
Also, I have serious approach anxiety.
Every time I go out and attempt to approach women. I completely freeze up. My mind goes blank and I cant think of even the simplest thing to say except, hi hello. Thats about it. I get rejected so much, where am I supposed to gain any kind of confidence when you have no female relationships in your life, at all.
Where do I go from here?


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How is someone supposed to maintain any sort of confidence or self esteem if all they ever experience is rejection or even worse, silent rejection.
I have had a 0% success rate since my girlfriend and I broke up. And to be honest, before her I had no success either, she was my first girlfriend.
Within the past few months, I have gone out a lot.
I have closed a few numbers but have had no dates whatsoever. It has been very painful.
The worst part about this process is I have no way of learning from my mistakes because the rejections are really just situations gone cold.
For the most part, the girls I have been approaching act interested and even ask me if I want their phone number after we have chatted for a while. They often approach me and open me in bars.
They propose "2nd day" ideas and show interest, genuine or not...Maybe girls give out their number to end an unpleasant conversation now or something...
Anyways, after one or two texts they stop responding. Or they usually don't even pick up when I call for the first time even though they offered there number to me.

Most recently I broke the ice with this Hb that takes the train with me everyday. We both go to the same train station and we sit at the same bench for the same train. I have seen her around for a few weeks now. One day we ended up getting into the same car of the train and I worked up the courage to open her. She had her headphones on so I wrote "Good morning, you have your headphones on" and showed her my phone so I wouldnt have to awkwardly talk over her music.
She smiled then took one of her earphones off. I told her I had been taking the train for a while and I only started seeing her recently and I asked if she recently moved her. She said she recently started a new job in the area. She was pleasant and asked me where I worked and so forth. She seemed really shy though. She spoke very quietly. When she got to her stop she asked me for my name we shook hands and she left... I felt I was very relaxed because there wasn't any pressure. I knew I could ask her for her number later on if I wanted to and we would chat again because I see her everyday. So I could get to know her however I wanted...
I haven't seen her since I opened her that day and its been about 2 weeks. So she clearly went out of her way and changed her method of transportation just to avoid having someone to talk to in the mornings.
Sometimes I cannot believe how alienated I feel by people.
I feel like I try my hardest and people show absolutely no effort to be friendly back. I think I have a genuine presence, Im a very descent looking guy, Ive been told I have a very honest warm but somewhat nervous aura.

I just don't get why women treat me like I have leprosy.

Any advise would help.
quit worrying about phone numbers like it is some sort of fucking trophy. there's my first piece of solid advice.

second.... quit being so fucking nice! You have the right idea with the whole "being creative" thing... Putting "Good Morning, You have your head phones on" in your phone... Instead, RIP HER FUCKING HEAD PHONES OFF AND SAY "HEY! I'M TALKING! SHOWS OVER HERE!" AND SMILE! You being different is good... But just toughen up a little bit. Quit being so afraid of rejection. Not every girl is going to reject you... but alot of them will


Think back to when you were a little kid... You saw fire. It looks pretty and cool and fun.... So you get closer to it. Touch it. BAM! It burns you. So now you have this image in your head that you carry with you for the rest of your life that "Hmmmm If I touch fire, I'm gonna burn myself" YOURE DOING THE SAME THING WITH WOMEN! You aren't always gonna get burnt. Instead of focusing on getting phone numbers... Establish some rapport and a connection. If it goes no where... Fuck it. You had the interaction. You learned from it. Figure out what you did next. YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP (EVEN THROUGH THE PHONE/TEXT) with every girl you interact with. FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANT AND REALIZE THAT YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE.

I went through a divorce so I went through the same thing as you did man... Your really have to sit down and think to yourself "WHAT THE FUCK DO I WANT IN A WOMAN?!" and look for THAT. Not just the hole between her legs. Women are VERY instinctive creatures and can pick up on the fact that you are desperate and looking for anything REALLY QUICKLY. They don't want to feel like they are "some other girl" they want to feel special... Because you are a special guy, they will want to feel like a special girl. And if you don't feel that you are a special guy... They will know that.




Im not looking for anything serious right now. I just want to have a better social life with women. And in regards to "You had the interaction. You learned from it". Thats exactly what I have the biggest problem with. Even when I do have interactions, and they are brief, I don't feel that I learned anything from it. Take the story I gave you for example. What the hell did I learn from that interaction?
Also, I have serious approach anxiety.
Every time I go out and attempt to approach women. I completely freeze up. My mind goes blank and I cant think of even the simplest thing to say except, hi hello. Thats about it. I get rejected so much, where am I supposed to gain any kind of confidence when you have no female relationships in your life, at all.
Where do I go from here?
Its not that you froze up. You were talking to her. Clearly. But what you were sayingwas LAME... are you interviewing her for a job?? Start to be more observant of your surrounding and learn to find things fascinating in your life and don't be scared to talking to someone. The key to pick up is comfort man. It is a completely abnormal feat for someone to be normal around someone they just met. Instead of asking "where are you from?" or "What do you do?" say for example, if she is wearing all green (good looking women tend to match pretty well, so meaning obviously most of her outfit is green.) Ask her "Whats your favorite color?" then call her out and ask her why shes wearing green and she will give you some detailed story about why shes wearing green. Fashion is something girls like to talk about. you want to get HER talking and find hook points in the conversation that you can pull off of. The more she talks... the more comfortable she will be... and the less you have to worry about talking.

I learned all that from your interaction and I didn't even see it ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:29 pm 
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Do the 10 day positivity challenge. You will realise how negative you're perception can really be. It also sounds like you aren't pushing things enough and are actually making assumptions and rejecting yourself rather than pushing the interaction until she rejects you. E.g Ask for a meet up in your text game rather than idle chat. Ask for the girls number rather than just saying bye. Make the girls actually reject you. You'll start to get more calibrated and waste less time with girls who aren't interested.


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DONT TRY TOO HARD!

I've found this to be true after years of chasing and trying to get with women. What I have found is that if you're attracted to someone you will go out your way to get with them - wrong method. The best way is to get the girl interested in you then pull away and let them chase you. If you let them chase you then you have got the girl but if you keep on chasing her she's going to feel suffocated and want to run away from you. Don't be clingy and don't be too nice either. You can still be a nice guy but not nice as if you're putting her and her needs before your own. Always put yourself first and look after number one. If you have any hobbies or interests then go and do them and she'll then chase you to try and get you to spend time with her. When i first got with my gf i made it quite clear that I love my football (soccer) and going to watch away matches all over the country with my friends. She now wants to come with me and shes doesn't even like football! To cut the long story short DON'T BE CLINGY, DON'T BE TOO NICE, PUT YOUR NEEDS BEFORE OTHERS AND DONT TRY TO HARD!


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Inner game is key here.

I`m surprised no one stated that before; they did indirectly thou. When a user recommended you the 10 day program is directing your inner game issues. This is normal man, I need you to understand that you probably have an interpretation on things that`s more fatalist than it really is.

This is due to a lack of proper inner game, so get deep in that shit and see how your interactions improve, don`t measure your social life only around women; God knows there is a whole lot to it.

Start talking with the bus driver, start having fluff talk with old ladys and gentlemen in line when you are waiting to pay for something. Get the point.


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