So I had my moment of clarity last night. After getting strong IOI's for a while I was putting HB in a ride back to her place while I split back to my place. About two minutes after I left her, I thought back on the experience thinking I should have K-closed in some fashion, this was confirmed when HB texted me later and said she wished I had given her a good night kiss.

Thinking back on several experiences, I realize that I dont kiss close not because I dont want to but because I forget. This is probably one of the more ridiculous ideas posted here. Any thoughts?

How can you forget to K Close? It's a crucial step to build comfort! It depends on which card you want to play but I normally suggest it earlier in the night with a really popular line 'you and I will never work out...we are too similar (dissimilar)! We will be making out one second and fighting the next!'

How did you say goodbye to this girl? Hug accross the car seat or did you actually get out? Why not make her feel more comfortable if you're not comfortable with it by kissing her in the cheek? Either way, I'd recommend the 'do you want to kiss me?' card!

Was there much kino?

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No there was Kino, hand squeeze, arm around the shoulder, we'd stop walking and shed lean into me several times.

Looking back, the actual drop off kind of involved us running across the middle of the street and her going in the side far from the curb. Opened the door, her friend got in, gave the HB a hug. Thinking this may have been a logistical problem based on the fact I was in the middle of an active street.

Though like I said, this isnt the first time something like this has happened.

This inst as ridiculous as it may seem. sometimes when you are so caught in the moment and just enjoying each others company you feel like u dont even need to kiss her... or sleep with her... its just feels perfect as it is. Now if you do this on dates 2 3 4 5....then you have an issue lol. But on the first time hanging out.... a girl will not think your a vagina bc u didnt kiss her. In fact she will be the opposite in some situations....wondering..."wow that was an awesome guy... but he didnt go for the kiss at the end? why? doesnt he like me? doesnt he want to kiss me? doesnt he want to fuck me?"

All of these insecurities are coming out...which is actually building MORE attraction for the next interaction. She will be anticipating you to kiss her...and when you do she will feel amazing. maybe even better than if it was on the day 1.

Hope this helps,

GL
DUKE

Yes it does. Never thought of it like that. Thank You.

I may have tipped my hand a bit after the fact and told her I messed up the ending, but she still seemed interested, which I guess would tie back to your logic.

Seriously Duke? Getting so caught up that it doesn't get physical?

For me kino is not a specific routine, but it's about escalation. It's about getting her comfortable with my touch and to make sure she is receptive. As the attraction builds, the physicality builds. It's not about putting your arm around a girl or squeezing her hand, it's about making things physical.

I'm curious if Geaux is sarging or trying to get a girlfriend? If it's about finding a great girl to share some time with, then great, take it slow, keep if fun, don't worry so much, it will work itself out.

If you are sarging then you should focus on a kino routine. Decide on some physical check points.

For me, the first point is the back of the hand. Right away I'll find a moment to put my index finger down solid on the top of her hand and then pause and move my eyes from hers to look down at her hand so we both see that it's there. This tells a girl that touch is coming.

Second, I'll create a reason to take her right hand in mine, palm reading or making jokes about her life (e.g. take her hand, turn it over, trace her life line and then look at her like you are suddenly very worried, ask her if she knows anything about the life line, then tell her you don't know if you should tell her what you've seen. She'll go crazy trying to get it out of you and just play it up until you admit you don't know anything about palm reading). If it works well, keep hold of her hand.

Third, find a reason to draw her to you. For example, do something a bit crazy (as above) so that she will hit you in some way, then pull her very close to you, look in her eyes in a dominant way and tell her that hitting you is a bad idea, a very, very bad idea.

If all that goes well, you are in and you can relax a bit, give it some time she'll be trying to be close to you again and when you are ready, stay there and don't say anything, but look in her eyes and then at her lips and back. If you stay like that she'll kiss you.

If you can, then go somewhere and start the escalation again, but at that point you should be able to keep it going.